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Yeah, exposition overload is a rookie mistake a lot of writers make.

And video game writers in particular? Sometimes it feels like just having a Wattpad account could put you in top 50% of them. I've seen AAAs where saying the writing was "fanfic tier" would be an insult to fanfics. Like they either hire the cheapest people they can get, or give the job to someone like an executive's daughter with big ideas and no ability to execute on them.

A good writer knows the power of "show don't tell", and knows the value of keeping the audience hungry and wanting for more.

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But to be honest, isn't this also true of the basic Hollywood or Netflix fare?.

I've been watching season 5 of Stranger Things. It has a budget of approximately 1 gazillion dollars. The writing is utterly basic predictable, boring, cliché, it's either a marvel-tier quip or a hollywood trope. Most Netflix shovelware isn't better than this.

So I don't think it's unique to video games :)

It's surprising that series and movies with gazillion-dollar budgets don't seem to have money for decent writers. About the only explanation I can think of is that the way the series or movie is made itself makes story too hard to do.

E.g. an action movie is designed around its stunts and then the plot is stitched together to support them. And series that are made one episode at a time can suffer from serious plot drift when they aren't planned ahead properly, or when executives can't decide whether they're going to have one more season or not.

It's worse than previous series, I've noticed myself zoning out a few times, but the entire Stranger Things schtick is that it's a homage to the 80s. It's story lines are cliched, that's the point. They're predictable because you have seen them before.

They even highlight and play with it themselves in the show, introducing the big bad via the D&D table in the first episode of each season, referencing the films they're doing, sometimes including the same actors from the films they're riffing off (Sean Astin as Bob, Robert Englund as Victor Creel).

Season 1 : Aliens/ET

Season 2 : Goonies, The Exorcist

Season 3 : Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Blob

Season 4 : Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser

Season 5 : So far we've seen Home Alone, Lost boys, Terminator

Saying it's predictable and cliched is just saying they've done their job well! And missing one of the main points of the TV show. My friend was almost giddy that they'd used Technicolor in the Holly/Max world.

I tend to refer to this as a Mixtape versus Remix spectrum distinction. A Mixtape plays the "hits" in about their original form, just in a new order. A Remix might sample the hits, but adds in new original content and takes it in a new direction.

Personally, I bounced out of Stranger Things S1 pretty hard because it seemed far too much like a Mixtape and not enough like a Remix than I wanted. The part that hit me was a feeling that entire monologues were lifted from the originals nearly verbatim with maybe a couple Proper Nouns swapped Mad Libs style. That can be incredibly fun (one that worked for me: William Shakespeare's Terminator the Second, was a creative mixtape of Shakespeare dialog reordered to retell Terminator 2), but at least for Stranger Things I kept having too many moments pulling me out of the story with "I've heard this before" because of the worse follow up feelings of "I'd just rather watch the originals, because they did it better" or "This isn't really adding much new or original to this moment".

But I realize there are a lot of opinions in the Mixtape versus Remix spectrum and also a lot of opinions on where something like Stranger Things falls. If it feels more like a Remix to you, that doesn't necessarily change that I found it too much like a Mixtape. (And vice versa, just because I find it too much of a Mixtape doesn't mean that I missed things that others felt made it a useful Remix, just that maybe my opinions on Mixtapes are stronger.)

My wife works a lot with LLMs and writing, and some time in episode 3 she was like, “I’m pretty sure a lot of this was written by AI.”

The long talking-in-circles conversations, especially.

That’s in addition to repeating everything several times, which is just a Netflix bad-on-purpose thing to account for people who aren’t paying much attention.

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