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Comment by mcny | Hacker News Reader

14 years is already too long.

Also, IP is not real. It is a term we should avoid. Copyright and trademark have nothing to do with each other.

IP is just the umbrella term for copyright/design/trademark/patent, isn't it?

It is. A common argument against using "intellectual property" is how beliefs about tangible property - land and objects - shouldn't be applied to copyright, patent, etc., so using the term is an implicit acceptance of a false narrative.

My assertion is much weaker and therefore much easier to defend — even if you agree with copyright, patents, trademarks, and so on, it is not to out advantage as individuals to support grouping them into one umbrella term as it muddies the waters.

Trademark and service marks are a whole different ball game from copyright. To group them together confuses everyone and is therefore only beneficial for those who wish to fish in troubled waters.

Not really - you have IP lawyers who might do all of it.

It is good for those lawyers, sure.

You can also have people who do both plumbing and electrical work or electrical work and home Ethernet wiring...

> IP is not real. It is a term we should avoid.

Your opinion does not make that fact.

The opinion that it is real is also not a fact. We're not talking about physical things. They're made up rules about made up things. It can all be different if we agree to make it so.

IP isn't a concept that has existed in all cultures for all time. It's not inherent to group dynamics or humanity. It's not even a concept that's fully respected by cultures that claim to care about it.

I'd push even further and say it encroaches, if not outright invades the conversation about who owns what data. Both are terribly muddy waters, to be sure, but something worth hashing out since we live in an age of information that is both accessible and under threat, so the real question is where do we want to collectively steer this ship?

Law is all about enforced opinion on what others should say and do.

Even property is a misnomer on that regard. The proper of someone is certainly more spontaneously matchable with one corpse. If anything, a land encompasses people, and someone psychological traits are indeed more property of the person but they can make it lasts through some expression of it only in external support which are distinct from their proper self.

Property isn’t real either.

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