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Whatever is going on in Matrix land isn't stable enough for most people to switch. I gave up after they broke their calling system after changing something to this livekit system. It doesn't work, my existing TURN server became useless, and Matrix was left as a very slow chat application.

I'm over it.

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I don't plan to give up just yet. Switching is way too difficult and I don't see many platforms having both solid desktop and mobile versions with e2ee.

But if they dare rewriting anything again from scratch I am leaving. They MUST stick with what they have and make it good at this point.

None of my friends ever migrated from Discord to my server for over a year, so not much is lost. I'll join more actively maintained instances to stick around the communities and chats I found for myself.

90% of my friends migrated, so I do have a problem on my hands.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0ULOptq2vk&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5t...

They seem to plan to rewrite the desktop client next.

I gave up after I upgraded my server from a SQLite backend to a PostgreSQL one with their conversion script which introduced errors into my DB.

Maybe one day I'll dig into it and see if I can fix the DB by extracting whatever data in it that's causing the errors, but like, is it really worth it at this point?

What does running a matrix server get me in 2025?

Haven't been on the main matrix.org server for many years, but they used to have a lot of issues with latency - it wasn't really instant messaging but more like email. When I felt it was the worst, I decided on self hosting it. That improved things significantly - it started to behave like an instant msg platform. Now with OVH migration I am even able to scroll through hundreds of attachments super fast and everything feels snappy.

And I also know there is no online status on the main server. Other than that, no idea

> What does running a matrix server get me in 2025?

Is there any other FOSS, self-hosted, decentralised platform with E2EE chat & E2EE group VoIP - i.e. the equivalent of Signal, but without depending on a centralised service?

From my pov (which is biased, as Matrix project lead), the downsides are:

* We still expose too much metadata to the server. Work is afoot to fix this, though - e.g. https://youtu.be/Q6NSmptZIS4?t=933 for encrypted state events.

* Synapse is still uses waaaaay too much database. I proposed a solution here: https://youtu.be/D5zAgVYBuGk?t=1852 but it needs to get properly implemented.

* Element's transition from the legacy apps to Element X has not been smooth, causing much of the gnashing of teeth in this thread (e.g. lack of interop between 1:1 voip and group-e2ee voip, or teething problems in the new apps).

* Post Quantum Encryption hasn't landed yet; it's been painful to get funding together for it.

I would say the biggest issue is not any of those things, it's that issues of this magnitude (including many of the ones fixed in the last year) are still being identified and requiring things like a "transition from legacy apps", breaking server changes, etc. In other words, it is not stable.

Author of the article here. Similar happened to me, I had a lot of broken and empty rooms that appeared in some clients but not others, and I could not leave. This is what prompted me to write the room cleaner / admin panel.

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