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>Wayland was started primarily by those who were maintaining X11. There is almost nobody who is both capable of working on X11 and wants to work on it.

Isn't wayland just soem protocol? so did the ex X11 devs wrote soem specifications and then soem went to GNOME< some to KDE and others are just editing the specifications ?

I think the issue is that there is no wayland library that a DE can use so everyone is forced to implement it as part of the DE , so the end result is a lot of missing features and incompatibility.

I could be wrong, I still run Linux but I decided years ago to stop following the Linux drama, I will use Kubuntu LTS and hopefully when it drops X11 the Wayland implementation and the X11 fallback would be usable.

From the wayland readme:

> The wayland protocol is essentially only about input handling and buffer management

So sending input to clients and managing the buffers needed is what wayland implements. Everything else is either done in the clients (e.g. rendering) or the compositor (pretty much everything else).

Note that this is a subset of what X11 did (though rendering had pretty much already moved to the client for modern applications). X11, of course, handled input, and it also provided an IPC mechanism (which is how clients e.g. communicated things to the WM). Wayland, at its core, is just those two things.

Yeah, so is not shitty for those claimed X11 devs to drop X11 since is hard and make a spreadsheet with a specification of a subset of X11 , then let other suckers implement it and maybe some other suckers create specifications of the missifng part they refused or were incapable to create. Probably all was exactly as Red Hat planned, if it works for GNOME then the rest is ignored or if it does not work for the rest then is a bonus.

I like X11 better than Wayland, but it's kind of hard for me to be mad at other people for ... not doing something I'm also not doing?

They are doing something, they created a FAKE alternative for X11 that in fact is just a protocol for a micro subset of X11.

wlroots is one such library.

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