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Nah Bach shits on Mozart. Mozart make extremely catchy music like Justin Beiber. I seriously do love mozart, but he merely wrote music. Bach weaved math into his music more than anyone before or after. His music sounds dense and more multi dimensional than mozart or saint saens. It really doesn't sound like he was trying to write beautiful music ( even though it is ) , it sounds like he was solving an equation and just writing out the answers as a harmonic sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmsNH8t25ck - This guy is like 95 and still shredding on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xJoVzoIQg

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> Mozart make extremely catchy music like Justin Beiber.

Mozart was the quintessential "Dark Forest" composer, hiding musical sentience in plain sight of light classical period textures.

Here he is with 2 measures of a simple major key "Justin Bieber" clarinet sequence interleaved with 2 measures from the strings that keep modulating to minor keys:

https://youtu.be/xdVo0MsJMOc?t=1074

Keep listening to the section marked "Tutti" in the score for a re-orchestration and reharmonization of that same clarinet sequence, but now in a surprisingly lush, chromatic style similar to Wagner or Brahms. It quickly disappears, too.

Similarly, Bach's own output is encoded inside Mozart's. E.g., the coda of the Rondo in A Minor doubles as a two-part invention, complete with invertible counterpoint between left- and right-hand.

He also built a nifty hash table that could be used to efficiently generate and stream music over the internet. (Unfortunately, he didn't live long enough to patent and sell it to Yahoo for 6 billion dollars.)

See, music isn’t just math, it’s feel. I guess that’s why I dislike him the way I do. It’s too robotic.

Truth is, they were ALL Justin Bieber. It’s all pop music of the time.

Ahh yes, so robotic

https://youtu.be/_1xJoVzoIQg?list=RD_1xJoVzoIQg

Also they were not all justin beiber. Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women. Only one of them was in it for the fame. In fact you could say that mozart and liszt were 2 of the first "pop stars" because that archetype didn't exist before them. There was basically no "beatlesmania" over bach. He had a steady job, but he didn't die wealthy or famous.

Did not expect one of the most unhinged discussions on HN to start over classical music but aight.

mozart was truly the R kelly of his time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

Basically the first Disney Channel Child Star…

When someone gushes over Bach, I tend to go off. Glad that others are just as knowledgeable as I am in Baroque.

Don't give up on him. You may surprise yourself one day.

I’ve heard everything Bach and still choose to not accept him on the upper shelf.

I have to say, I enjoyed "Nah Bach shits on Mozart" much more than I should have.

Is that because there is some more depth to the joke, that Mozart did this for real "when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women" - "shit on women"? So Bach metaphorically shits on Mozart for being the greater composer who was in it for the music and now gets more fame?

Because I was rather appalled by that language, but maybe lack background context.

I really want that to be the case, so I'm just retconning it.

Its well-known that Mozart had a poop obsession.

https://www.thepiano.sg/piano/read/mozart-and-his-infamous-l...

Hm. Not convinced that this qualifies for a poop obsession. Rather sounds like using language for a shock effect(on 2 occasions), but thanks for the link.

Well, in their family, they had a good-night verse that went like this. Maybe not an obsession but definitely a healthy interest!

Gute Nacht (good night)

Scheiss ins Bett dass es kracht (shit into the bed so that it bangs)

Reck den Arsch zum Mund (stretch your ass towards your mouth)

und sei recht kugelrund (and be spherically round))

And Mozart wrote a canon from it

"Buona Nox - bist a rechter Ox" (and the end of the text is what I wrote above)

Mozart loved wild parties and had a feces obsession. He also was born 6 years after Bach died so no, Bach didn't shit on Mozart, only the Academics do. The only shits Bach cared for was getting paid and making good music. Mozart on the other hand was "paraded across europe" but as a child. By the time he was an adult, he had a job. By the time America decided it had had enough of the British, Mozart left for Vienna.

> Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women

Bach died 6 years before Mozart was born.

He was still working!!

He was just decomposing instead of composing.

(Old sixth grade camp joke)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQOaK8Mv6E

I'm sorry, I just can't listen to Bach piano pieces unless Glenn Gould is making strange sounds in the background that the sound engineer can't remove.

Pop music also existed back then you know.

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