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Very similar feeling to watching the liberal/progressive party fangirl the FBI and the intel community

edit: in reality the times have changed and so has the country and the parties. All of these pre-2008 stereotypes are stupid and not useful anymore.

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Yeah the emerging 'The Bullwark' wing of the democrat party. Never trumper republicans trying as hard as they can to move the right flank of the democrat party into the bush era republican gradient so that they can pretend that they didn't lose their own party.

Seriously. Where were all these people when the Democrats overreached into every aspect of our lives?

Apparently the only criticism is an accusation of hypocrisy for calling themselves the party of small government. Nothing wrong with the actions themselves apparently! Lol.

Plenty of people complained and wanted all government overreach to stop - this is an even more dire situation, propped up by people who directly lied and said they were not interested in this (which they obviously are, and they are liars.)

Why are you complaining about people's concerns instead of the actual problems created by those in power?

Because it feels like theater for party politics instead of genuine concern. I expect these people to go quiet when Democrats come into power and start doing the same things.

The same things? You mean effectively making money laundering legal, crashing the government and starving the poor, ending health care benefits, stealing directly from the coffers, pardoning sex pests and criminals as they continue to commit crimes, ramp up terrorist action against american cities, drop bombs on boats with no justification, roll back our environmental protections to invest in dead end energy projects, double down on crony capitalism, make it so corporations either bend the knee by directly giving money to the president or have their business ended with tariffs, and generally do everything they can to rob us blind and you say "oh it's all the same!"

The president is sending the troop into cities on made up offenses, he's posting to social media shitting on american citizens, he's doing death threats on sitting politicians, this is not the same you absolute twat.

It's a silly claim made by unserious folks.

Lol. Go on and cope. If you can’t seriously criticize your own party, you are basically useless, and I don’t see any criticism from you.

I have plenty of criticisms for the democrats (who I do not consider my party) but both sides bs is just uncritically accepting the republican framing of the problems they are causing, I don't need to spend my time complaining about the party in power effectively nowhere.

"I predict you will do the same thing in some hypothetical future, so I won't talk about the actual things happening in the very real present."

The problem is that the "both sides are bad" people just uniformly vote Republican. Its the cope of understanding that your side is batshit insane, so you have to pretend that the current state of affairs doesn't actually matter, and the problem goes deeper in the goal of normalizing your party.

The truth is, the only reason not to trust the intel community is because of some fringe bullshit you heard on Joe Rogan.

This is your cope to justify your side's righteousness. Many people recognize how awful both parties are and do not vote republican. Every socialist/leftist/communist falls into this category.

Wait, are you saying mass surveillance is a good thing?

Bad reading comprehension. This isn't a "both sides are bad" thing. Both sides are different than they were from 1980 - 2008.

I've been voting third party for a long time. When both sides are bad (in different ways) it is the only choice left. (The third party isn't all that great either, but they are better and hopefully they send a message that people care)

Isn’t that basically just throwing away your vote though with it being a winner-takes-all system?

No because the statistics are counted. People in the "smoke filled backrooms" pay attention to what third party messages are getting attention and in turn use that to inform how they change. Long term it isn't a bad strategy, but it does mean you have to accept whoever wins (though in rare cases a third party has won) for today. If one candidate isn't too bad I will vote for them.

In my case I've decided on criteria is has not held this office for more than one term (that is I give you two terms no matter what office you are running for) because no matter how much I agree with you I don't want anyone to spend too long in government.

To quote Marlow Stanfield, "You want it to be one way. But it's the other way."

In the US electoral system, voting third party doesn't send a signal. It throws away your vote. Let's take a look at what voting third party has done.

1. Voting for Nader led to Bush Jr. winning the presidency in 2000. 2. Voting for Jill Stein led to the first Trump presidency in 2016.

So you got that going for you.

I consider third parties running in Presidential elections to be joke candidacies but what you’re saying is just the whining of whoever lost the election that was influenced by third party voters. Would have been the same result if the third party voters didn’t vote btw.

People in the "smoke filled backrooms" pay attention to what third party messages are getting attention and in turn use that to inform how they change.

Kinda like how the Libertarians got ~3% of the vote 2016, and over the following years the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire was taken over by groypers and the national LP endorsed Trump in 2024? I mean, in an ideal polity you'd be right, major parties would pay attention to where they're losing votes at the margin to inform their policy decisions. But we live in a far-from-ideal polity where the two major parties systematically undermine minor party candidates at anything above the county level.

Yeah, that is a danger. But when you don't want the major party candidates to win there isn't much other choice.

When faced with reality over the past decades, and the historically good record that Democrats have had, versus historically bad record that Republicans have had, versus the unproven record that any 3d party had,

and considering what was at stake in the 2024 election,

you either voted for sanity (especially given that Kamala was the most milquetoast unoffensive candidate ever which would have been MILES better than what we have now), or you voted for insanity, because lack of vote for Dems means you were giving Trump a chance to win.

Sorry, but that is how it is.

The democrats have a bad record too. The record is bad in different areas, but both have plenty of reasons not to support them. You have to make a choice, (not voting is a choice) and there are not good ones, the question are any not so bad that you are willing to support them.

I'm a "both sides are bad" person and I almost always vote Democrat. I might revise this if Newsom is the nominee however, he seems determined to stoop to Trump's level. Also if the GOP nominates another Romney, I will almost certainly vote Republican in order to reward them for that choice.

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