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To misquote Alan Watts, all other religions are for people that need the Tao explained with too many words.
My favourite version to start with, and even more succinct than the original, is Ron Hogan's https://terebess.hu/english/tao/ron.html then you can move on to fancier translations.
Even after going around the houses for 2500 years, eventually philosophy reached Wittgenstein who had to hold his hands up and say “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent” which is pretty well a summary of what Lao Tzu was pointing at.
Other than that, your first four points are wonderful.
My personal favourite is Ecclesiastes which, apart from a couple of lines of slop added by a later author, has little to do with Abrahamic religion and is more just a little nugget of proto-existentialism.
“Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
The more the words,
the less the meaning,
and how does that profit anyone?
Ecclesiastes 6:11
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“We, and I personally, believe very strongly that more information is better, even if it’s wrong. Let’s start from the premise that more information, more empowerment, is fundamentally the correct answer.”
Eric SchmidtI sometimes wonder what the country would be like if every hotel desk was more likely to have a copy of the Jefferson Bible than the Gideon Bible.
For news, my rule is to check major headlines at most once a day (often less in practice), so I am at least vaguely aware what people are talking about. Doing it this way makes it clear how ... banal? ... most clickbait is. Something local might be useful; if they mention something national it's probably actually semi-important. Though, if you can't change anything about it, is it really?
If reading the Bible, I strongly suggest starting with Matthew 5 and continuing from there, not too fast (maybe one chapter per week, so you can stop and think about it). This gets straight to the mindset, as opposed to the handful of protrusions that make it to the pop-culture version. [I have a lot more I could say about how to read the Bible, but it's no use posting it again unless someone is interested.]
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205&ver...
Normally I customize this a bit based on exactly where my audience is coming from, and sometimes what question was asked. For HN I guess I'll assume someone who is aware of the pop-culture version of Christianity (which honestly describes a lot of people who went to church as a kid), not an active Christian, dabbling a bit in philosophy, and capable of understanding big words.
(Technically, "The Bible" is plural meaning many books. But in English we usually treat it as a single book despite using "the book of X" for its componentse)
The Bible is not a novel, and it is a grave mistake to try to read it like one. The Bible is also not a textbook, though that's closer.
If we treat it as a philosophy book, I'd say the core theme would be "What is sin, what does that imply, and what can we do about it?", though this is often implicit, and much of the book is in the form of negative answers. I expect that if a reader doesn't ultimately "get" the mindset behind this question, the Bible will never make sense, never see it as anything more than arbitrary rules interspersed with random supernatural events. Yet, I also don't think approaching the Bible from this big-picture perspective is particularly useful - certainly, many people who read it are not into philosophy (as we now mean the word) at all.
Rather, the Bible is food. You need to eat it regularly or you'll starve, and you need to give it time to digest or you will expel it without it taking effect. Like food, you should have a variety; some parts are not meant to be taken alone, while a few favorite superfoods you could in fact survive on if you had to. Some parts are low-density and some are high-density.
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The "Sermon on the Mount" in chapters 5 through 7 of Matthew is some of the highest-density content in the Bible, and (orthogonally) is designed for immediate practical use. It's even possible to spend a whole week studying a single verse for some of it (and ~3 verses per week for the rest), though I do not recommend this for newcomers. Even if you are missing 99% of the point and have no idea what you are doing, you can still get something out of these chapters if you're taking them at a rate of one chapter per week.
A rate of one chapter per week is sustainable throughout the gospels and several other frequently-read books; for some other books, maybe 5 chapters per week is appropriate. Note however that chapter size varies quite a bit (~15 and ~50 are common) and chapters are not in the original (so if you're doing this alone, feel free to split or merge chapters even if the density is right, and consider verses from the adjacent chapters for context). For the "per week", at least in the high-density parts, I suggest reading the whole thing one day, then on later days focusing on a few verses that jumped out at you, and keep them in your thoughts as you go out for your daily life.
From Matthew 8 onward, the content density isn't as extreme but it's still pretty high, and by now you're starting to get your feet under you.
For a first read, I actually recommend finishing Matthew without ever going back to the first 4 chapters (not that you can't, I just don't have a good place for them), then reading Luke (which includes an even more extended start than Matthew has), Acts (the explicit sequel to Luke), and John (the gospel according to, not the epistles of) in that order. At one chapter per week, this will take about 2 years (note that part of the reason for this order is because some people might not think they want to commit to that). After this, start poking around well-known books or parts thereof (see below), then come back to do Mark. After this it's open season. At some point, learn to use margin references to discover new chapters to study.
As a rule, in any given year, you should spend half your time in the gospels (which is common but sloppy shorthand for "the gospel according to {Matthew,Mark,Luke,John}"; strictly speaking "gospel" refers to "this is Jesus, the accessible and reliable solution for sin"), though not necessarily going chapter-by-chapter like the first time. When you eventually start reading the more difficult or low-density-food books, I suggest alternating on a more frequent basis, like every other week. Or, quite possibly if you're still here, you might be doing two independent study lines the same week - perhaps one assigned for a group, the other chosen by you personally.
Some good books to consider reading, but only after Acts (and in my plan also John) include: Ruth, Jonah, the first half of Daniel, any of the short epistles (some specifically suggest James). There are also many scattered famous chapters in other books but I keep failing to make a list thereof. You will usually find references to these in the margin so don't be afraid to follow them (I'd suggest gradually ramping up how often you do this as you go through your second or third gospel), just don't get distracted from going through the gospels until you've finished them all at least once. Hebrews 11, however, is remembered for being a chapter that many of the margin references are made from.
Note that the Bible is in part sorted by similarity. As a result, it is often a bad idea to go from one book to the adjacent books. This is particularly notable for Kings/Chronicles (two retellings of the same events) and several of Paul's epistles (same advice written to different people), but also applies within the Psalms (and Proverbs/Ecclesiastes, but they're shorter).
Some books that can be a bit of a slog, and/or with little food content in parts, yet are somewhat reliant on sequencing: Genesis through Joshua, Ruth through Nehemiah, and the two epistles to the Corinthians (other numbered epistles are more independent). To be clear, there absolutely are even large portions therein that are both easy to read and profitable, but you should still approach them with deliberation.
Some books to avoid for a while: Judges (full of negative examples), Job (much dreary philosophy which is immediately rejected), arguably Ecclesiastes (but other people like it), Song of Songs/Solomon, all of the prophets except sometimes when excerpted (Isaiah in particular is commonly cited), arguably Romans (I personally don't find nearly as hard as Hebrews, but others disagree), Hebrews (but chapter 11 is very notable to read on its own), Revelation (so many people go insane after reading it, it's not even funny).
This is not the only way to read the Bible, and certainly there are other good ways, but I do have reasons for my particular choices especially for someone with no foundation.
A brief note on Bible translations.
All translations are biased. Some translations have their bias obvious (which is good) or aimed at a target that is no longer applicable (also good); others are subtly problematic.
Avoid, at all costs, any translation that goes nuts with paraphrasing (moderate paraphrasing is usually okay). Mostly this means The Message. Also avoid any translation that is only used by a single denomination; semi-related to this, I also suggest avoiding any "study Bible", which inevitably consists more of third-party ideas telling you want to think about the passage rather than just reading it for yourself. I have nothing, however, against mere narrow-margin cross-references and rare single-word translation notes.
Other than that, for the gospels it doesn't matter much. Outside the gospels the differences become much more apparent.
The KJV (sometimes KJB or AV) has been highly influential on the English language (and, per its preface, the translators were very aware it would be). If you can stand the "thee"s and "thou"s (which do add important pluralization meaning in some places) and archaic spellings, it remains of excellent quality in most passages - better, even, than many modern translations. Its biases mostly fail to take hold of a modern audience. However, it does measurably suffer from the lack of modern linguistic scholarship in some passages (mostly, idiom-like things in the Old Testament, especially Job/Psalms/Proverbs and the prophets). Traditional editions do lack the quotation marks and paragraph flow that modern translations tend to use (though basic paragraph marks are usually present). Note that what people actually use is usually the 1769 edition, not (as some only-ists claim, the "original" 1611 which is unreadable), though there are some minor variations (such as "graffed" vs "grafted").
If you want something that keeps the KJV's advantages but is more modern, the ASV is mostly obsolete, but the NKJV is recent and pretty common (at the cost of giving up on the pluralization disambiguations). The KJ21, though much rarer, is quite useful because it does preserve the pluralization but modernizes the rest of the wording.
The NIV is popular, but I actually find it quite problematic. I have caught it on several occasions flat-out making something up, far beyond what can be explained by being a moderate paraphrase or even preferring different manuscripts. In particular, if someone in a debate cites the NIV, they're probably wrong. I think I've only once found a verse where the NIV gave a useful reading where other translations did not.
The ESV is not bad. It has its (unavoidable) biases but they are mostly of the obvious sort despite being aimed at a modern audience. However, I have found a few places where it introduces errors and ambiguities not in the KJV, such as Luke 22:31-32 (rigor summary for this verse: KJV/KJ21/NRSV/NASB good, NKJV bad as usual, NIV good for once, ESV bad for once). It is also prone to the problem of there being different editions in the wild with non-obvious differences.
The NRSV and NASB also seem relatively widely regarded, though I'm less familiar with them despite using them as parallels. They do succeed at the Luke 22 rigor test, at least in the versions I happen to have accessible (unfortunately, like the ESV, they do have non-obvious version differences).
There are a handful of other decent translations not mentioned here. But there are also a lot of low-quality translations, as well as minor variants of existing translations.
The YLT (not the Mormon "Young") is obscure but useful if you don't know enough Greek/Hebrew to efficiently use an interlinear directly, because it goes all in on literal translation, even for verb tenses that are unconventional in English.
You might also find it edifying to learn about Socrates. His trial and punishment are as compelling as Jesus' and I his existence is more likely to be an historic fact.
Also, just so you know, Jesus is as or more historically "likely to be real" than Socrates (three major works written by two people who knew Him, multitudes more written by those who knew those who knew Him, mentions by multiple historians of the period, a thriving cult in spite of vicious persecutions, etc.). Socrates has three contemporaries (Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes) and then the writings of Plato project him beyond his time and into the philosophical context.
But perhaps you mean "the Jesus of the Gospels" as opposed to "Yeshua ben Yoseph min Natzret" when you said "historic" here (there's good arguments for Jesus-of-the-Gospels being Yeshua ben Yoseph too, but one thing at a time).
Yeah, read the whole Bible — the one people swear on in court, the one the preachers hold and up and tell you it is the word of god — and don't cherry-pick. So much misogeny and shit behavior. How about this one:
“David and his men went out and killed two hundred Philistines. He brought their foreskins and presented them as payment in full to become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave his daughter Michal to David in marriage.”
Yeah, let's kill those Philistines! Yeah, two hundred human beings! And let's cut off their foreskins because that's not remotely sick and dysfunctional at all and make a gift of them. Seems to be behavior that was rewarded.
Word of the Lord is basically sick fucking shit.
I would even go so far to say that even nonbelievers would find much value in it, just reading at least the top stories and passages the Old and New Testaments. These are foundational cultural texts that bridge centuries of peoples. And if you are a nonbeliever who wants to read beyond the popular well known parts, please do! But read with a mind to connect with others, not divide.
There are other good things to read too. Plato, Shakespeare, the Chinese Classics, Greek Mythology, folktales. Things that people share with those around them as well as their ancestors
I've never seen so many Christmas lights go up this early in my little neck of the wood
They started doing heavy Black Friday sales ads almost immediately after Halloween this year, more so than I remember from even covid (but that's just my memory)
The Christmas radio station started a full 3 weeks early this year. Typically it's after 6pm on Thanksgiving day that they start.
Overall, people are worried right now. Religion slots right in there too.
The Bible is meant to conflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, as the saying goes.
In actual tests, non-algorithmic feeds become similarly extremist: https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/08/study-social-media-p...
Very different for your psyche in my experience.
Let me leave a comment on hacker news (both news and social media) that I don't consume news or social media.
Whatever you read, whatever you listen to, if you do not actually stop to consider it, by taking a long walk without headphones or scribbling in a notebook perhaps, you can’t know what you think.
And I suspect this is what’s happening to a lot of people. It’s easy to perform a psychological DDOS on yourself with doomscrolling or YouTube or podcasts or cable news in a way that’s actually really hard to do with a 500 page book.
The Jefferson Bible [1] is excellent in this regard. He removes all miracles and most mentions if the supernatural in a cut & paste job of a King James version of the Bible. The result is portraying Jesus as a person, not divine.
There is nothing stupid about this and it is a massive problem with Western news. Different anchors across different networks presenting news with the same words as if they were handed off the exact same script to read out, to emphasize the same talking points, etc. They make AI slop look so good. I fully stopped watching US News a few years ago.