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> Why use GrapheneOS if you are going to install Google Services anyway? ... > May as well just install the stock os ... > I think graphene os makes more sense if you go all in. Otherwise there is no much point really.

No, Grapheneos is quite more secure than stock os when comes to handling google play service if you need to use it.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/113459782313987260

> At the end of the day, once Google stops shipping sec updates for your phone, firmware updates stop so that's it really.

That is true. Graphene does not hide that. If you want to live without any influence of google use iOS/MacOS or Windows.

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The security you get is not free. The price you pay is functionality. Can't buy subs or buy apps on the app store. Forget about using banking apps on your phone and resign yourself to use Whatsapp with no cloud backups.

Imo, installing a Google app on your phone is living under the influence of Google. The apps can still run in the background and collect and ship info about you. Less influence sure, but still a ton if they get to run background services.

> The price you pay is functionality.

Everything I want to do works on GrapheneOS. Actually better than it did on /e/OS.

> Can't buy subs or buy apps on the app store. Forget about using banking apps on your phone and resign yourself to use Whatsapp with no cloud backups.

I use at least some of those, so... you make wrong claims :-).

> Imo, installing a Google app on your phone is living under the influence of Google.

You're entitled to your opinion. IMO, if you use microg you still allow your non-Google apps to contact Google. If you use Android apps, or if you use the web, you're under the influence of Google. That sucks, but that's how it is.

> Can't buy subs or buy apps on the app store. Forget about using banking apps on your phone

This is just plainly wrong. Im doing both with GrapheneOS.

Now I understand why GrapheneOS main developer comes out as crancky some times. People often comment stuff they, straight out, have no idea about.

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