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>The US is worse than China in many aspects, from forever wars to climate over colonialism to fascism and support for an ongoing extremely violent genocide on over a hundred thousand civilians.

My man, the US and China are more or less the exact same here with the exception of forever wars.

Climate? China pollutes like crazy, and so does the US. Colonialism? Maybe not in the same vein but China does engage in actions to other nations, such as Macau, Hong Kong, and Taiwan that could be classified as colonialism. Fascism? Well yeah both countries are pretty much openly fascist right now. Support for an ongoing extremely violent genocide of over a hundred thousand people? Yeah the US and China are both complicit there. In fact, in China, you're speaking about the regime itself, with context to the ongoing genocide of Uyghur people.

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Yes its imperial logic so why arent you saying that to OP's bizzare US = peace and gay rights comment?

And the Uyghur repression is no genocide compared to Palestine thats complete US misinformation and frankly a sinister comparison - the US is much much more violent, again look at Palestine, before that literally 30+ wars for resources and markets with millions of civilians dead.

Im not naive about China but this US = beacon of human rights angle is frankly gross to me.

China has many problems but americans are literally worse and you wanting to boycut due to human rights, is this a joke?

No the chinese people, most of whom do not have a ICE car, do not produce those carbon numbers

China is where the west exported pollution to by the fact that we pushed most of the deadly and dangerous production and manufacturing there.

So all the west does is launder pollution through east and southeastern asia.

How does that excuse China's pollution? They still chose to do that, no one forced them to. I do agree that other countries are guilty of China's pollution as well, but that certainly does not excuse China choice to do that pollution laundering for them.

It doesn’t. The right answer is that both China and the West suck and should have worked together to reduce consumption rather than accept the waste-surveillance capitalism system they both accelerated from 1970-present

It’s like trying to reduce prostitution, when society is demanding more sex, do you jail the prostitutes or the tricks?

If there’s no demand for sex workers then there’s no sex worker market. However if nobody is struggling to survive, then theres no supply.

You need to end the desire for consumption in order to eliminate authoritarianism

Right. So what was your point when you replied to a commenter saying the US and China are equally bad, pollution wise, with

> No the chinese people, most of whom do not have a ICE car, do not produce those carbon numbers

That sounds to me like you're saying that China is not as bad as the US, because the pollution in China comes in some part from laundered pollution from the US. If that's not the case, could you explain what you meant?

You can’t do carbon production attribution the same between a consumption and a production nation at the per capita level

Someone paying to fly a private jet and a slave putting coal into a furnace aren’t the same

I really don't see that as a fair comparison. OP wasn't equating individual citizens, they were equating the nations as a whole. And China, as a state, definitely isn't akin to a slave being forced to do this dirty work.

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