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It would be so hilarious if GEMA was actually useful for once and not a detriment to society and artists in general.

However of course OpenAI will ignore this and at worst nothing will change and at best they get a slap on the wrist and a fine and continue scraping.

You can’t take that stuff out of the models at this point anyway.

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I made a living from GEMA payments some while back, but dear lord, so much of how the institution does what it does feels so bad and zero-sum. Might just be that the world would be better off without it. It does something important for right holders for sure, but (and I understand, I am heavily back-seating here without offering a solution) there must be better ways to go about it.

Now, without the fimförderung all those grim dark arthouse movies where people yell "Scheisse!" in Berlin stairwells would never be made. And all that public gremium pleasing shovelware, looking extracute and boring clogging up the appstores with zero sales, what would we do without that. Take anything popular streamingwise and ask yourself would it get through and by. And if it was stopped by what and who.. fire that, to fix germanys media sector.

Nah. It’s so easy for OpenAI to modify their output. I’m already seeing them restrict news article re-generation by newspaper name. They do it to reduce liability. There’s also a big copyright infringement case coming up in the USA this year, and being able to point to responsiveness to complaints will be a key part of their legal defense I bet.

You can modify the output but the underlying model is always susceptible to jail breaks. A method I tried a couple months ago to reliably get it to explain to me how to cook meth step by step still works. I’m not gonna share it, you just have to take my word on this.

I believe you, but you only need to establish a safety standard where jailbreaking is required by the end-user to show you are protecting property in good faith, AFAIK.

Why is this so problematic? You can read all this stuff in old papers and patents that are available in the web.

And if you are not capable to do this you will likely not succeed with the chatgpt instructions.

I’m not saying it’s not possible to get this information elsewhere - but it’s impossible to prevent ChatGPT from telling you how to do illegal stuff; something that the model explicitly should not be able to according to its makers

It'd be equally hilarious if that VC money would be used to actually better society by crushing GEMA in court.

But realistically, all that will happen is that the "Pauschalabgabe" is extended to AI subscriptions, making stuff more expensive for everyone.

Damn I didn’t even consider the second part…

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