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I Want You to Understand Chicago - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45859402
It got flagged, but this is happening and isn’t being talked about because it isn’t happening to people who have influence.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
You’re saying this is trivial and uninteresting? Or just everything relating to the US government is “politics” and we can’t talk about it? Because I think the guideline is meant to be about the former.
There are a lot of other platforms, that are open for any topic, including politics. Reddit is probably the most similar one to hn.
It is the most powerful country in the world, the strongest military power in the world by far, a global nuclear power, and the basis of European military security and peace - at a time of Russian military expansionism.
This is not the same as Haiti having problems.
The problem is that topics like this are incredibly hard to keep civil, and the "HN factor" ("prominent" people involved chiming in) is not really there, either. It also frequently ends up in the exact same repeated arguments (at best).
Personally, I'm not flagging posts like this and I'm always very happy when the tone stays civil and the discussion interesting, but I can see why people would.
You can say some pretty horrendous things on here as long as you couch them in mealy-mouthed modest-proposal language, while there's almost no recourse for having a good faith rebuttable flagged or down-voted.
In theory, the site moderators are supposed to be a check valve on this kind of abuse, but it's quite sobering to look at the age of some of the accounts who behave badly on HN and yet have somehow passed notice.
I can only assume that the moderators are okay with the company they allow on the site, and I think it's worth taking a look around and asking yourself "Is this place _really_ worth contributing to?"
I do not agree on that. I think if you flip the perspective in topics like this to the other political side ("Chicago is finally doing something against illegal foreigners in the city") it would not be any less likely to get flagged.
If I had to give a "best gess" for the aggregate political bias of HN, it would still be democrat/liberal/left, albeit less so than say, Reddit.
> You can say some pretty horrendous things on here
"Couching statements in soft language" is a significant part of keeping a polarizing discussion civil in my view, so that makes sense to me. What are those "horrendous things", and what would you like the moderators to do?
The fact of the matter is that depending on the thread, it can swing in either direction. And that's the problem - you end up with unaccountable moderation via populism, which is the worst kind of moderation.
Hacker News is not a functional social space. It can't be, by design, because it has an easily-gamed and incredibly punishing form of user moderation. The incentives for abuse are abundant, and the potential downsides are negligible because the moderators who are supposed to be a check on these abuses are demonstrably hands-off.
> "Couching statements in soft language" is a significant part of keeping a polarizing discussion civil in my view, so that makes sense to me.
A Modest Proposal isn't civil - it's satire. It describes in flowery language how the poor could sell their children to the rich for use as food. The dehumanization is supposed to horrify and anger you, and the satire is contained in the limitations of pretenses of civility.
I disagree with that strongly as well. Looking at the main thread on this post, every single flagged comment looks perfectly justified to me, as an example.
If such suppression is common, it should be easy to point out comments that are unjustifiably flagged?
I also disagree that the system is "incredibly punishing"-- at worst, some other people won't be able to see your comment or post, you don't even get banned or anything.
I'm quite happy with how moderation is being done on this forum compared to basically anywhere else.
Pretty much. Hacker News is half sockpuppets/throwaways, and half internet handles who smile in your face while holding a knife behind their back, ready to stab you in the darkness.
That's not an environment suitable for conducive connections with other human beings, though it's a mighty fine way to drive engagement by turning any slightly controversial thread into a voting/flagging war zone.
You want my advice, find communities with real people in them, places where people are more than an internet handle. Find communities with accountable moderation. Get to know people, learn about their life outside of whatever the topic of the day is. Heck, even meet them IRL. Touch grass.
HN still has a problem with mob censorship of stories, but because there are generally far fewer story submissions than comments, plus the fact that https://news.ycombinator.com/active exists which surfaces flagged stories for users who aren't logged in, this mob censorship tends to be much less effective. It forces the censors to put in the extra leg-work of going into the comments section instead.