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I have tried to install it and got absolutely nowhere.

1. sudo apt install cargo on latest ubuntu and on attempt to "cargo install bluetui" it will say something about edition 2024 error. Because ubuntu is installing rust from 2023 and nobody bothered to update it?

2. Installing from https://rust-lang.org/tools/install/ will install rust only after removing existing version from 2023 (Why you won't just rewrite it?). Now I don't have cargo at all.

3. On attempt to use rustup it will tell me that path was not found. I need separate installation?

I am sorry but WTF is this garbage? Seems like whole rust ecosystem is broken...

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Just grab the latest build https://github.com/pythops/bluetui/releases

Apt packages are managed by the OS so its normal they don't get overwritten by tools you download of the internet directly as that could break other apps installed with apt. As a general rule, don't use coding tools from apt as they are normally out of date, install them from other sources

> Apt packages are managed by the OS so its normal they don't get overwritten by tools you download of the internet directly as that could break other apps installed with apt.

I would, however, have expected it to shadow the OS version. That is, I would expect any installer running as your user to install eg. ~/.local/bin/rustc and ignore /usr/bin/rustc (and maybe print a message about making sure that ~/.local/bin takes precedence in your PATH).

Can't get this to work either. Downloaded the release because I'm not touching any Rust tools, but it doesn't run.

  $ ./bluetui-x86_64-linux-gnu
  Error: Error { kind: Internal(DBus("org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut")), message: "Failed to activate service 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)" }

I have Bluez installed. Comes with Debian KDE by default I guess, because didn't install it myself.

I had similar with just (a make replacement) and debian 12. It seems requiring the latest of everything is the latest trend of rust ecosystem.

For the compiler in particular, it's pretty common practice to depend on a recent version. The backward compatibility situation is generally excellent, so the only real challenge is getting the compiler installed. That's generally straightforward with rustup, and Debian/Ubuntu also package several versions (under different package names) that are more recent than the distro's default.

That has always been the trend in the rust ecosystem. It's not a new thing.

This kind of thing is what drives advanced users from debian based distros to things like Arch and Nixos. With niche tools like this that don't have official packages, having a easy way for users to share build scripts, and have them managed by the package manager is a life saver.

Heh, my sympathies.

Have you tried mise[1]? The last thing you probably want is to add another abstraction on top of this mess, but I've had good experiences with it, and it manages Rust, Go, Python, etc. environments very well.

IME getting any modern toolchain setup on different distros can be problematic, especially if you mix in the often outdated distro packages. So using isolated environments with a tool specifically built for that works better.

[1]: https://mise.jdx.dev/

How long have you been using ubuntu? From my past unpleasant experience of using it, one thing I learned is never rely on apt for package updates. Most will just keep rotting and hardly get any updates. It's the same with debian. Either use install scripts from packages or switch to a much more serious distro like Arch, where packages are always updated

No offense but this is the most 'i use arch btw' comment I've seen in a while.

You could use docker to build and then run the resulting binary without.

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