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Led by Nvidia, the AI industry has plans to reindustrialise America

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All good as long as people don't think that modern industrialization means lots of jobs.

In all industrial economies, the number of people working in the industry declines, even if the industrial output increases. You could maybe increase the people working in industry by 1–5% for some time, but then it moves to a downward trend again.

Labor-intensive industries are low-productivity industries. Even China has started outsourcing them after Chinese wages have grown.

Building things locally has energy efficiencies that can manifest as wealth generation.

Wealth generation is literally participating in rearranging atoms to improve lives.

> reindustrialise

Ask the rich, what do you want for Christmas? They'll answer no labor or minimum wage labor.

The best thing for the wealth extraction class is machines that work 24x7. The second best thing is nearly complete automation with minimum wage workers like at McDs. This is going to far worse for tech, because prompting llms can be done by any minimum wage worker anywere in the world.

It's almost like the only hope that the rich don't receive the Christmas gift is that AGI never arrives. AGI is literally that machine which will outperform even the best of engineers who then won't be needed at all.

> AGI is literally that machine which will outperform even the best of engineers

If it ever does that, it will outperform even the best managers, economists and politicians. Yay for AGI, it can't come soon enough, people will be amazed by what they've been missing.

AI industry would reindustrialise what exactly?

Doubt. Giant data centers wasting water is not a path the "industrialization" unless your definition includes all the unpaid externalities like environmental degredation and excludes labor force improvements.

It's great news and I hope it happens. Many of us are old enough to have watched electronics and computer tech that was invented here and once made here become offshored and sold to us by other countries. It's sad, unnecessary, and overall not great for the country.

Since the US is blessed with nearly limitless natural resources, abundant land from sea to shining sea, and a large population ready and interested in working, it seems natural that we would try to make every single thing in this country that we are able. Many nations don't have that luxury.

> Many of us are old enough to have watched electronics and computer tech that was invented here and once made here become offshored and sold to us by other countries.

this is the history of industrialisation of every single country (other than the UK, which was the first)

including the US

it was good when it was you doing it to others, but now it's bad when it's China doing it to you?

Until the inevitable crash. I wonder what the ruins will look like.

It looks like a bunch of computers to put to use a different way. It looks like a massive amount of excess energy capacity to use on anything.

The problem is the dichotomy between specifics (robotics, tumors) and the arbitrary (sentences, imagery, code). No one seems to be taking into account an animal that verifies events using the arbitrary requires vocal and gestural analog sing-a-longs to stay semi rational.

Not even the companies directly responsible for the sing-a-longs have surmised the analog commentary track is required to keep us animals glued to our signals. It’s all a C-suite shitshow.

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