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async rust continues to strike me as half-baked and too complex, if you’re developing an application (as opposed to some high performance utility like e.g. a data plane component) just use threads, they’re plenty cheap and not even half as messy.

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Async Rust is as complex as it needs to be given its constraints. But I wholeheartedly agree with you that people need to treat threads (especially scoped ones) as the default concurrency primitive. My intuition is that experience with other languages has led people astray; in most languages threads are a nightmare and/or async is the default or only way to achieve concurrency, but threads in Rust are absolutely divine by comparison. Async should only be used when you have a good reason that threads don't suffice.

It's a good idea in concept but tons of popular libraries use async which makes it difficult to avoid. Want to do anything with a web server or sending requests, most likely async for popular libraries.

Yeah, the nom asynch nats client got deprecated for instance. It really is a shame, because very few projects will ever scale large enough to need asynch, and apart from things like this, there are costs in portability and supply chain attack surface area when you bring in tokio.

In the spirit of "every non-trivial program will expand until ...", I think preemptively choosing async for anything much more complex than a throwaway script might be justified. In this case, the relevant thing isn't performance or expected number of concurrent users/connections, but whether the program is likely to become or include a non-trivial state machine. My primary influence on this topic is this post from @sunshowers: https://sunshowers.io/posts/nextest-and-tokio/

The main issue was shipping it without proper runtime support, and even nowadays async/await is synonym with Tokio.

Look at .NET, it took almost a decade to sort out async/await across all platform and language layers, and even today there are a few gotchas.

https://github.com/gerardo-lijs/Asynchronous-Programming

Rust still has a similar path to trail, with async traits, better Pin ergonomics, async lambdas, async loops,..... (yes I know some of them have been dealt with).

I work on an application that has various components split between sync and async rust. For certain tasks, async actually makes things a lot simpler.

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