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""I would think that there would be a warning or something that would pop up that would say, you know, 'Are you 13-plus?'""

Is that not what kids mode is for?

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> According to xAI policy, Grok is "not directed" to children under 13 while teens between 13 and 17 must have their parent or legal guardian's permission to use it, and they must agree to the company's terms of service.

You know, I'm pretty sure it's not cool to ask for nudes from a 13 year old even if their parents say it's OK.

Are you saying that all products must be safe for children?

It's not cool to chop off a 13-year-old's arm, but a chainsaw will do that all the same.

I am not saying that, but a chainsaw will not do that unsolicited. If xAI is saying it's cool to let 13 year olds use the service with parental permission (note: not supervision, permission), then they have a responsibility to behave appropriately with those 13 year olds.

But there's literally a child-safe mode, which was not activated. (I don't know the details of this mode, I know nothing other than what was told to me in the article, so it's possible that kids mode is worthless. But obviously activating that is step 1)

This seems equivalent to me to taking the training wheels off a bike and then complaining when your child gets hurt.

I hope that, no matter what configuration you put the bike in, it doesn't sexually harass the rider.

Important to note as well that kid mode didn't exist when this happened.

Calling it kids mode implies it's for ~5-9, if someone was making a 12 year old use yt kids, id think they suck as a parrent.

> Are you saying that all products must be safe for children

If you plan on children using it, which is clearly the case for Grok, yeah.

> It's not cool to chop off a 13-year-old's arm, but a chainsaw will do that all the same.

What chainsaw do you own that has a “when being handled by a 13 year old“ section in the manual?

That is not clearly the case for Grok, it’s not even allowed by Groks terms and conditions. They have a separate kids mode, which the parents did not enable.

It is exactly like a parent buying a chainsaw, which explicitly states keep away from children, and then giving it to your child all the same.

I mean, call me old-fashioned, but I’d generally expect that magic talking cars would not ask _anybody_ for their nudes. That seems a reasonable default assumption.

This is the exact same reason KITT got cancelled.

I'm an adult. I don't want the model to ask me to send it nudes when I'm asking it about soccer.

I mean, yeah, it's not great even for a regular non-child-mode. But then that has nothing to do with anyone's age, it's just 'send me nudes' isn't a good continuation of the conversation.

According to women I know, they get inappropriate nudes and requested of them infrequently but it’s not a total absence either. It’s been a meme, too. As this thing mimics human text its going to happen without intervention.

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