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Deviance is all around, the author is too trapped in a bubble to see it.

Show me the modern counter-culture movement. Show me the modern Firesign Theater. Show me today's National Lampoon. Show me the modern Anarchist's Cookbook.

No, 2600 doesn't count. It's a toothless parody of what it once was that you can buy on the shelf at Barnes and Noble next to Taylor Swift magazines.

Heck, even the 2000's had hipsters.

Where are the protest songs? I think this is the first generation that doesn't have mainstream protest songs.

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Other zines have filled the void left by 2600, one of my favorites being PoC||GTFO. (pocorgtfo.hacke.rs)

I think the author isn't considering that people's bubbles have gotten smaller and more opaque. There's still plenty of weird hackers innovating, they just do it with their chosen peers, not in mass-culture.

As predicted "The revolutions are not being televised."

Thanks for the reco for pocgtfo. I had no idea.

I generally agree with you.

Which is why this Jesse Welles's stuff hits me like a freight train

https://youtu.be/I6vjaimSK4E?si=e18sT1m179W2bM2G

This is who I thought of too.

it’s your own damn fault you’re so damn fat / Shame shame shame

All the food on the shelf was engineered for your health / So you’re gonna have to take the blame

https://youtu.be/LtScpL5o7cg?si=h2x1ExSWl3-iE_3N

Give me a break with this "where are the protest songs" stuff. I'm an old fart, but even I know stuff like Childish Gambino's "This Is America", a bunch of Kendrick Lamar songs (not to mention his Super Bowl performance), Beyonce's "Ameriican Requiem", etc.

And let's not forget that protest songs aren't usually promoted by those in power...

It's crazy to think that "This is America" was released 7 years ago.

2001 and 2016 have been unfortunately been very long years thus far

Also this kind of stuff is still happening, look at all the blowback to Bad Bunny performing at the next Super Bowl

Bo Burnham

I suppose he is modern, but he's distinctly a millennial star. I don't think gen z/a cares aboht him.

If you were to submit any writing daring original creation and significance today you are going to jail. Such was the demise of zwei sei zed /dev/null.

You have a point. Deviance is tending not to stick its head above the parapet.

Mainstream protest songs?

Mainstream protest songs?

The last century was full of them. From Bob Dylan to Marvin Gaye to Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young to Sting to U2.

There were probably hundreds that made the Top 40 charts.

Hum... Have you not noticed the problem?

That's exactly the kind of stuff everybody is saying that doesn't count. It's not deviant if everybody is doing it.

Your meta-analysis is one degree too high. You were going to have the long tail anyway. It just shows there was an interest for the deviant.

That's a folk music wave, a conscious soul album, conflated with more pop social commentary. Not much protest songs. Products made out of popular discontent. Now if you said Woody Guthrie... But in pre-war times was there a non-mainstream?

The only thing that this may say is that in USA the regime fights dissent in mainstream media. Like, if you want to catch signs of a product made out of popular discontent, you can't e.g. find in UK charts the Sleaford Mods or Kneecap?

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