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I think it is much higher for tesla.

Probably a significant difference for Cybertrucks compared to cars.

Hmm I'm not so sure, admittedly based on anecdata. In the UK I know 10+ people who drive Teslas, and none of them are fanboys in any way. It was just the cheapest EV with decent range when they bought it.

I'd say the UK isn't representative of the Tesla market is my guess. Ive talked to a bunch of friends who own them and are the antethesis of red pilled. They lament that the competition is still not there at all and that their Teslas are a much better experience then the rest of the market. Take it for what its worth - anecdotal.

Would they buy them again? Probably not but thats because of politics.

> Would they buy them again? Probably not but thats because of politics.

That’s the article’s point.

Politics, FSD overpromises, Elon, whatever the reason.

Tesla deliveries are down and people aren’t coming back.

Also the QA issues.

I can't fathom wanting a Tesla unless the politics are not merely a turn-off for you, but you want to support them directly.

On the politics things -- thats only one side of the population. The other side would be more open to purchasing it. Almost nets out except that whole ability to pay piece.

What does it mean "...the competition is still not there at all..."?

What are these features that tie people to Teslas that the competition is unable to deliver on?

In the US:

1) sufficiently long track record of reliability (I might consider Ford and Rivian now)

2) free remote start and unlock

3) camera recordings - how is this not standard in all cars by now?

4) not having to buy via dealership (this is worth a lot to me). Bought a Tesla on my couch in 15 minutes and picking it up took 15 minutes. Dealerships take hours and hours, and try to upsell you.

5) $35k to $40k price point - if BYD were to come to America, I would drop Tesla in a heartbeat

The camera recordings thing to me BLOWS MY MIND! Also for competitors such as Volvo -- only finally having a functional user experience for apple or google. They are years behind on the trivial matters (that people care about).

I don't think Ford is in the running.

FSD is pretty sweet especially compared to volvo's woefully poor autopilot efforts.

I know about 5 similarly minded people, all but 1 have switched to BYD ... and that's probably 99% due to the length of their lease.

At this stage, I imagine them mostly wearing red gag balls ...

Why else would you put up with this nonsense?

If nothing else, Musk is a Svengali extraordinaire ...

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