GPT-5 is not the final deal, but it's incredibly good as is at coding.
Anecdotal, but it's something completely else in terms of capabilities, ignore it at your own peril, but I think it will profoundly change software development.
I’m not arguing for ignoring it, my point is different.
> but I think it will profoundly change software development.
The point is that this is said every time, together with “the previous thing to which the exact same praise was given, wasn’t it”. So it’s several rounds of “yes yes, the previous time the criticisms were right, but this time it’s different, trust me”. So everyone else is justified in being skeptical.
No one wants AI to have the problems it has (technical, ethical, and others). If they didn’t it would be better for everyone. Criticism is a way of surfacing issues so they can be fixed.
And sure, I’ll grant that some people want to bash the other side more than they want to arrive at the truth, but those exist in all sides of the argument (probably in roughly equal measure?). So to have a productive conversation we need to go in with the mindset of “we’re on the same side in the goal of not having this suck”.
Maybe the productive thing is actually to ignore naysayers and goalpost movers and use the tools.
You aren’t enlightened for not liking a tool. “Oh, hammers? Absolutely a bubble, after all they never fixed the hit-your-thumb issue i blogged about, and nail guns just let you hurt your thumbs faster”
I’ll say it again:
> So to have a productive conversation we need to go in with the mindset of “we’re on the same side in the goal of not having this suck”.
If you’re unwilling to engage in those terms and steel man the argument, I don’t see the point in engaging in conversation. If what you want is to straw man and throw unsubstantiated jabs at someone, there are other communities better suited for that.
True, but even the boy who cried wolf too many times eventually got his sheep eaten by the wolf.
I have my own personal anecdotal benchmarks and I never hyped LLMs before GPT-5.
Things that simply did not work before GPT-5 no matter how many shots I gave them, GPT-5 breezed through.
For me, it would take at least 2 generations of no felt progress in the models to call for diminishing returns, and I'm not seeing them.