Tron: Ares Set to Lose $132M+
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And now that Hollywood executives have all but open contempt for writing, I had no hopes of them writing a decent Tron film. And they didn't. Even Legacy really kind of squeaked out decent quality (if not spectacularly perfect in every way) in an era where the writing was already degrading; I recall not expecting much from that film even then and being pleasantly surprised. Now it's just hopeless to expect them to be able to write something as foreign as the deeply alien grid residents in Tron when Hollywood writers hardly seem to be able to write about anything that isn't just their own personal interpretation of some family trauma they directly experienced, or their previous night's dinner politics conversation translated to screen with some one genre or another's conventions smeared over it like a bad makeup job.
I think a lot of westerners are getting into anime and manga and part of it is that a manga is typically drawn and written by one person who is responsible for the whole story, contrast that to the "Marvel System" where four people worked on each book -- Stan Lee had a writing credit and it's true that he had a special talent for picking the exact words but the art team had a big influence on deciding how the story would go.
I am not the biggest Tron fan but I have such a soft part in my heart for the movies because the original film has such a unique take on how computers work because back then they weren't mainstream that you end up with this weird mishmash of science and fantasy that you don't see anymore. Meanwhile, the sequel had this amazing production design and the remix version of the album has a permanent spot in my workout playlist thanks to all the techno artists they brought aboard.
Shame that the execs in Disney seem to be so clueless and just keep burning hundreds of millions to make these over-budget star studded films that no one is going to watch, at least in the case of marvel it makes sense but who in the world was clamoring for Tron? You need to take creative risks and shying away from the digital world isn't it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unbearable_Weight_of_Massi...
I think he just likes making films.
Having said that, both before and after the money trouble, he made some superb movie choices and put in some outstanding performances - think Wild at Heart, Pig, Unbearable Weight etc. Hats off to you Nick.
But Cage's intensity often comes up as kind of funny or endearing. Leto's overacting is often cringy/edgy or downright unpleasant. Which seems to represent both their personalities too.
Maybe I'm just old enough that all of the plot points and action sequences were familiar from other films.
And it was completely unambitious in exploring the implications of AI coming to life and existing in the real world, their experiences, etc.
Which very much could have happened had they followed up on Tron Legacy
I guess I'd sum it up as a coherent, but forgettable spectacle
The primary beefs seem to be with the supposed plot holes and one-dimensional characters. I won't argue that this movie is perfect because it isn't but IMO the proliferation of video essays on film has turned everybody into a critic. Many now think that narrative works have to fit into a "hero's journey" template where we have to identify with extensively-developed characters just because some guy with a beard on YouTube cut together some clips from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" while ranting loudly and quickly about the Platonic form of narrative structure as executed by blockbuster 80s films. These people clearly don't understand that large swaths of narrative entertainment don't fit this mold and Tron is one such franchise. Complaining about the admittedly-cheesy MacGuffin and Jared Leto's wooden acting in this movie is tantamount to saying that there weren't enough car chases in "Pride and Prejudice". It's a feature-length music video with sci-fi themes, not a modern epic. Enjoy it for what it is.
I'll never see this movie again but I was satisfied with what my $17 bought. I'd recommend seeing it in IMAX before it goes away because the experience won't translate at home.
I don't need some bearded guy on YouTube screaming, when your description is already enough to give me the impression that this is not a good movie.
You end up building this circle for each character, where the plot becomes the vehicle for them seeking and satisfying (or failing to) some need. You don't need purple prose, you just need characters that have motivations that are self-consistent and understood by the viewer. Such understanding does not require sympathy, either.
Much of the complaint over modern narrative is that what we're presented takes on the structure of propaganda pieces [1], not stories for entertainment. We're supposed to be entertained by the propaganda, instead. Many who grew up on good-guy wins against bad-guy don't resonate with story structure broken in service of some message.
I'll probably still see this movie eventually, and I'm not claiming Tron: Ares has these issues (no idea). I'm just not in any hurry to go see it.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
>> Propaganda can often be recognized by the rhetorical strategies used in its design. In the 1930s, the Institute for Propaganda Analysis identified a variety of propaganda techniques that were commonly used in newspapers and on the radio, which were the mass media of the time period. Propaganda techniques include "name calling" (using derogatory labels), "bandwagon" (expressing the social appeal of a message), or "glittering generalities" (using positive but imprecise language). With the rise of the internet and social media, Renee Hobbs identified four characteristic design features of many forms of contemporary propaganda: (1) it activates strong emotions; (2) it simplifies information; (3) it appeals to the hopes, fears, and dreams of a targeted audience; and (4) it attacks opponents.
How does "2001: A Space Odyssey", arguably one of the greatest films ever made, fit into this framework? Are we ever apprised of HAL's motivations? Does the crew have some deeper desire that we aren't aware of besides completing a mission? Is it ever explained what specifically the monoliths do? Many of these questions are only answered in the sequel which does take a more traditional tack and had less critical acclaim.
Nobody's saying that this formula doesn't work. I'm just saying that it doesn't have to be the one that successful narratives follow just because the Rick and Morty guy happens to like it.
Admittedly, I went in with extremely low expectations. It was fun, though, and I liked the visuals and the music. The plot was … something.
But I'm not sure what did people expect really. The previous two Trons films were bang average 5-6/10 (and I say 6 would be very generous). Yes they might have a cult following and good soundtracks but as a film all together they are entirely forgettable.
Disney to stop charging money for Tron Ares forever. Thus creating a completely permanent immutable $132m loss which will definitely never change for ever and ever.
It's a hit piece people