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Debt financed. Who is loaning money to these things? I feel there must be an other level of bubble there...

Seems like a stable investment with returns locked in through 2049 unless Facebook defaults.

2049... 20 years. So what exactly is being funded? Just the infra? Walls, power grid, cooling, security cameras and such. Or is any part of this the servers? Is there need for more money in say 2039?

They probably used some of the money for this: https://www.nextplatform.com/2025/10/02/meta-buys-rivos-to-a...

Maybe I’m off the mark here but considering the state Facebook was in until AI put some wind back in its sales I would not say 20 years is a safe bet.

Remember how much time and money they burned on Metaverse? They’ve got nothing to show for it. And wasn’t only like 1-2 years ago they stopped publishing DAU’s in favor of a more favorable metric?

Someone feel free to correct me but they seemed to be just dipping their toes into a bit of a house of cards situation just a couple of years ago.

Hence the big push currently ongoing to allow 401ks to invest in private markets

Wouldnt that be pocket change?

The exact value of all 401k isn't really known, but the average account value is estimated at ~135k, if (let's say) 200 million Americans have a 401k, that comes out to 27 trillion.

You really think the amount of savings in 401ks is the same size as the GDP of the whole country?

It's not, but IRA plus 401k is about equal to GDP, yes (and if you add approximately equivalent defined contribution plans like 403b, tsp, etc, then it's more than GDP)

> It's not, but IRA plus 401k is about equal to GDP

The economic vampires must salivate about this opportunity all night and day.

That's comparing a rate of flow to a static amount. In other words, GDP is 27 trillion per year.

Why shouldn't it be? GDP is _economic production (for some value of economic production) for a year_. It's not all that closely linked to wealth.

> isn't really known

It's mostly known, but you're probably right it's not exactly known

45 trillion across all retirement accounts, 12 trillion in defined contribution (including 401k), 9 trillion in just 401k

https://www.ici.org/statistical-report/ret_25_q2

In that chart, the 18T of IRA has portion in private equity, and the 15T of pension (defined benefit) has a portion in private equity. The 13T defined contribution plans (of which the vast majority is 401k) can't be placed in private equity right now.

Yeah, but I don't think anybody is expecting every single American to take out 100% of their savings from the stock market and put them in private equity.

It’s private money, like if you went and asked your uncle for a loan.

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