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>One thing the article doesn't mention is deportees. The administration always says illegal immigrants but when you look the vast majority that are being deported are documented people here under some allowed process, they just haven't been granted a green card yet.

Documented != legal, one can be documented and an illegal immigrant. If you have a deportation order with a final date in the past, you are a documented illegal immigrant. If you're unlawfully in the US due to overstaying your visa, you are a documented illegal immigrant. Practically every case in the past year has proven out to be the person deported was illegal.

>Documented immigrants have work permits, social security cards, all the thing to find housing, get jobs, engage in banking etc...

Yet they can still be illegal immigrants.

>do you think they're going to care about their car loan, home mortgage or credit card debt?

The vast majority of illegal immigrants being deported have none of those things. All cash.

>Who pays for all that debt, in excess of $20,000 for everything. She never will, she goes to another country

Car gets repossessed, house gets foreclosed. The majority have miniscule or nonexistent credit card debt. Less than a rounding error for the economy as a whole.

Their deportation will increase housing supply, which reduces rent and home prices though!

>We were lied to about the number of illegals. ... All because the lies saying they were illegal.

No we weren't. They are illegal.

You are factually incorrect. Documented means that they are legally allowed to be in the country which is why they have received work permits and that they have received social security numbers. They have a legal status which is why they are documented as being here. To say that they dealt in all cash is a factual lie. Where are you getting your data. I'm getting my data first hand from someone who was picked up and also had first hand accounts of hundreds of people in detention. All with work permits all with social security cards all who had legal jobs at the time of their detention. All of them were engaging in the normal commerce of a USA citizen which is to have a debt load and a credit rating. Do you think they had cash to pay for those vehicles? Do you think they had cash to pay for those houses? Do you think apartments don't run credit ratings? You are absolutely foolish to think that this is some massive 30 million people with a cash based underground. Modern banking doesn't work that way, almost no jobs pay that way. No jobs that you're going to get with a work permit and a social security card which is the vast majority of jobs. You think these people just pick your lettuce in the field. That's absolutely insane you really need to educate yourself because you have believed the lies that were told.

The law does not consider them illegal aliens. ICE does not classify them as illegal aliens. Only red-headed political ideologues that are looking for a boogeyman consider them illegal aliens.

You can say that it is a miniscule number of them having credit and debt but you need some evidence to back up your claims. Increasing housing supply at the cost of a greater burden for everyone else isn't a good way to do it. Because these were functioning taxpayer members of society. Then they became burdens to society because they were housed in detention facilities at an extraordinary cost along with the money lost for the proper eviction procedures and debt recovery procedures and everything else.

It is absolutely foolish to take people who were following the legal process and we're legally documented as being here putting them into tension centers causing them to default on their mortgages or their leases. Causing them to default on their car loans and their credit card debt. For you to act like it's a good thing is absolutely insane.

Because you believed the lies that these were illegal criminals that weren't allowed to be here. Go and read the lies of the news media. That's how it was presented. It only takes a small bit of logic to say if they were actually criminals that were not allowed to be here then they wouldn't know where they are. Because there would be no documentation. The fact that they could go get them so quickly was because they were allowed to be here and they were arbitrarily revoking parole statuses and other statuses of people that were granted permission to be here following the processes laid out in the law.

Now you will bear the financial burden for it. Because fools like you think that they were criminal illegal aliens. When they were not they were legal aliens. I highly suggest you go and review the actual many immigration statuses that are granted. Because there are many statuses where you are legally allowed to be in this country as an alien without being granted a visa. Once you have reviewed those I will await your apology.

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