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EU Commission presents defense plan to protect 'every' centimeter of Europe

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If they want to protect 'every' centimeter of Europe, it will be done through it citizen. Not some half backed technology summoned by those sharepoint clicking dummies of the EU.

If Russia were to attack the EU (let be really crazy), they would take the easy first step of launching a cyber attack. It would put the continent in such a chaos they wouldn't even need to invade. Just look like at an isolated attack on Jaguar stopped their production for weeks/months.

No the EU is at war with it own citizenry now and the fancy drone is like Chat Control. Its purpose is to keep in check the people who paid for it.

https://archive.ph/lS3I6#selection-1380.0-1380.1

They need to stump up the cash. (I'm looking at you spain)

They need tractable processes to both stump up the cash and agree what ratio of eu, friendly/near and non eu sources they can agree to use (I'm looking at you france)

They need to pull their finger out.

Defence is not the responsibility of the EU. This is classic insidious power creep using Ukraine as a pretext at a time when the main military powers are either no longer in the EU (the UK is not there to push back anymore) or under inept leadership (France...)

If you want to just let the individual nation states carry on being dysfunctional, I guess there's nothing to see here. If you want some sense of joint outcome that doesn't wind up in a Rafael shouting match on the other hand, you would like them to at least coordinate better and the best auspices for that outside of existing pan European JV and NATO (which invites a 600lb gorilla into the room, well into greenland) would be some kind of EU led process. Sure, in law it's individual states, thats not going to change.

What has to change is posture and supply chains. The former demands a willingness to actually act. The latter demands spinning up. Spinning up takes time.

I wish I had shares in rheinmetall. Well, really no I don't but I think their prospects are good.

> Sure, in law it's individual states, thats not going to change.

It is changing with the EU inserting itself as organisation in charge.

This should be absolutely pushed back against. France could stop this instantly if it had some backbone, which it sorely lacks at the moment.

It is fine to have a strong alliance and cooperation but the end game with the current trajectory is to finish off nation states as sovereign entities with the EU becoming the state. I don't think citizens have been asked for their opinion (obviously since they would reject it).

I think you're arguing a different matter. I don't have a strong view on a federated European model or the primacy of nation states. By the time that can happen I'll be dead, I'm not as oppositional as you are, it's close to religion to me, ie not worth arguing about because it comes to beliefs fast.

The EU is a religion that we are not allowed to criticise in "good society" in Europe. That's a big problem.

> (obviously since they would reject it).

I am a citizen, I wish this were to finally happen. Don't portray your opinion as the one "of the people".

If we don't finally federalize, we will be eaten up by the other big powers.

Please stop doing this. Every time you accuse others of "portraying their opinion as the one "of the people"" when they make a general statement about public opinion because you disagree, thereby doing exactly what you accuse others of.

It is you who is trying to portray your own opinion as the public opinion.

You are not the public, just one member of it - as am I. I do not appreciate being spoken for by somebody I disagree with.

"Public opinion" is a term that refers to what the public in aggregate thinks about an issue. Perhaps you are not clear about what the term means in English. On the issue of EU federalism there is no majority in favour. I do not express my own opinion when I state this and your own anecdotal opinion is irrelevant, too. So again, please let others refer to public opinion even if you disagree with it.

I am familiar with what the term means, but barring a vote, you do not know what the public opinion would be.

So please stop claiming popular support for your ideas based on what could most charitably be described as unfounded hunches.

He is right and you are wrong here. You also have a years long history of bad faith contrarian comments here.

There is no majority public support for EU federalism. And expressing an opinion that does not "comply" with the herd is not being in bad faith. It's not good to live in a echo chamber because you might forget that there is a whole array of opinions.

Defense should be the responsibility of the EU.

The power "creep" has been much too slow. Would you have accused Hamilton for advocating for "insidious power creep" as well for writing the Federalist Papers?

States in the US federalized and are now a superpower. Why are we holding ourselves back?

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