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49.8% of the population voted for Trump, myself among them. First time voting Republican.

Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for. And almost everything Democrats have said and done has reaffirmed my choice.

Every one I've spoken to that has been surprised Trump was elected lives in a bubble. Hacker News is one such bubble.

You're not going to get any reliable "when are the masses going to revolt" info here.

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People being grabbed off the streets and transported to prison in unrelated country is what you voted for?

If there is anything Trump is doing popularly, it’s aggressively removing illegal immigrants from our streets. To the extent there is tolerance for Fourth Amendment violations, it may be from historic indifference to enforcing our immigration laws.

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

The aggressiveness is losing people who may have supported his immigration policies initially.

> aggressiveness is losing people

Losing, but hasn’t lost. Point is if someone is proudly pro-Trump right now, immigration probably isn’t going to prompt introspection.

They gave him his second term, he doesn't need them anymore.

This is it, exactly.

I used to be a very "live and let live" type of person.

Then the relaxed "let live" part got abused. I've seen what happens first hand having lived in NYC for 6 years, and now living in London.

100% And most don't realize that many EU nations have tighter restrictions on immigration now than the US after seeing what effect lax policies have on their nation.

.. and people who are legal immigrants, and people who've just left immigration court, and of course some actual US nationals.

It's amazing the power of fear of crime to get people to demand the Federal government jackboot.

The people who are in the US illegally, 1000% yes.

What about the US citizens that also got hauled off by unmarked white vans?

Not the question that was asked.

You’re okay taking a massive economic hit, removing large amounts of population from the country? Who cares if they’re “illegal” or not? Why does it matter if they’re less criminal than US born, and harder working? And don’t give me, they use services, I work for Medicaid and they don’t get it. So why? You just dislike brown people?

Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.

> Where is this massive economic hit? GDP and stock market are up.

Stock market recovered when Trump TACOed, it crashed hard when he tried to implement his actual policies.

> stock market are up.

Multitude of sins being hidden by the devaluation of the dollar there.

So same as it ever was? Or just still happening but hopefully at a lower rate of change.

The dollar has fallen pretty drastically against other major currencies since the start of the year. That is, this isn't loss of value in the rather abstract monetary inflation sense but "dollar is down 15% relative to euro in under a year" (that's a pretty rapid shift in such a short timeline).

Ok, so? That doesn't affect most of wage earning Americans. You are cherry picking something to generalize everything being bad.

A decline in the dollar absolutely does impact most wage earning Americans. Those wages are being paid in dollars! A decline in the dollar on that scale will tend to lead to higher price inflation.

What economic hit? Yes, they're illegal and we don't care how hard working they are, they can go be hard working in their own countries. The US is not a soup kitchen. If you want to come here, go through the official process. If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.

> If they bring as much to the table as you claim, they'll have no problem getting a visa.

Nah, you see the fundamental problem here is that (based on Biden's estimate), there's about 10 million or so, and that 60–70% of all U.S. agricultural workers and 15–20% of construction workers are such people.

They do this at a pay rate that is both higher than they'd get in their home country, and lower than any American would work for. This itself, being too cheap, precludes them getting a work visa: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/eta/foreign-labor/programs/h-2a

What they bring to America is: your food.

And you support this being done with no due process, meaning we just have to trust Trump and his cronies when they claim someone is in the US illegally?

Thank you for being brave enough to speak up and say that this is what you voted for.

How do you feel it squares with the Constitution?

Are immigrants bankrupting / destroying the country?

Should the Democrats give up their attempts to prevent health premiums from doubling next year?

Do you believe the Democrats want to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants?

Are you 100% supportive of the way ICE has been going about their business?

Do you believe Portland is a war zone?

Do you believe the US can compete with China in manufacturing?

Did Russia start the war with Ukraine?

If it came to choosing sides would you choose Russia or Ukraine, or should the US extract themselves from it entirely? (passively choosing Russia)

Is inflation over?

Should the Fed be cutting rates?

Is the economy booming?

Would it be possible to briefly list what you voted him for?

Immigration is #1.

Do you mean illegal immigration in this case or immigration in general?

Thank you for your vote. Its great to see Pax Americana dissolve in real time.

We are certainly witness to history at the moment. I just hope all those that deserve to, survive to see how this snippet of history gets recorded.

lol

You're admitting that you wanted to vote for a guy who is committing an unprecedented amount of corruption? Taking bribes via his own personal bitcoin?

You wanted a President that pardons people who give him money? lol. Really?

Or have the guy who had a literal brainworm and doesn't believe in germs determining American's health? lol

Did you vote to have a WWF person run the dept of education? Are you an adult with a functioning brain?

You voted for a recession lol.

You voted for tanking an economy and prices getting higher lol

You voted to have college students writing op-eds critical of Israel deported (No offense, get out of this country if you don't think people should have the right to criticize any government they want)

You voted for the guy who wants to jail people for burning the flag

You voted for the guy who wants to take away news licenses because they;re mean to him

You voted to have more expensive healthcare

You voted to have all our allies abandon us and laugh at his speeches

You voted for a pedophile. Like an actual pedophile. Congrats on bragging about that one.

You voted to have coal mines reopened lololloooollollo and for the people who don't think solar energy is renewable because it can be nighttime too hahahahahahahahahahah

What is it lke having the worldview of a toddler?

You must be bummed out that your party didn't get a candidate that follows your morals and values and on top of all that is a convicted felon.

Wouldn't you have wanted a better candidate?

Good luck finding a candidate that follows your morals and values that’s willing to run for president.

So you want a dictator? You want random tariffs based on Trump's gut feeling? You want foreign-looking US citizens to be detained at will by ICE? You want every part of the government to be corrupt, rampant insider trading based on political decisions? You want a government that retaliates against companies and people it doesn't like, and uses the force of the government to harrass them?

We can only conclude yes. Or rather, these people want Federal government violence and troops on the street because they just hate "immigrants" that much. I'm surprised they haven't chiseled the poem off the Statue of Liberty yet.

None of what you said is true.

You're the bubble I'm talking about.

Until people like you start dealing in facts the pendulum will continue to swing right as it pushes people like me further in that direction.

You deny that ICE has arrested US citizens and only released them after hours or days?

You deny that Trump and his family are using their political status to earn money?

You that Trump's tarrif policy is erratic, with vague announcements on social media that are often reverted or not followed through later?

You're not arguing with someone who is willing to change their mind. Vague responses about "this is what I voted for" and "you're forcing me and others to vote for Trump" are typical signs of someone who's in the cult. It's common for them to feign interest in multiple parties, but they were always going to vote for the Republican candidate and proclaim Dems are the evil elites.

This is common with "centrists", "moderates", "undecided", etc... they'll always be shy Republicans who are too scared to say that they're drinking the kool-aid.

When I argue about stuff like this on the internet, I'm never talking to just the person I'm replying to. It's always mostly for the other readers.

Is it not true that non-illegal immigrants are experiencing more harassment from ICE? And that foreigners entering the US are more likely to be detained, especially if they have anything that might be perceived as anti-Trump on their social media?

I don't live in the US, so I have no direct experience (though I travel there for work once or twice a year)

Come now, be reasonable. You have one side denying climate change, wiping government websites of climate data. You have Trump, the most lying politician in history, who rampantly cheats at golf, and is a pedophile and liar about Epstein. Talking about facts, the GOP has thrown reality to the wind. At least have the wit to see your side doesn’t care about base reality, and admit it. It’s a party of the religious right and corporations, which has been taken over by Trump and a cult of personality has set in. None of these people are served by truth.

> Everything I've seen so far from Trump is what I voted for.

Did you always have fascist tendencies or did Trump bring them out?

ap99 The replies here are why politics should not be discussed here. You said nothing wrong, but the replies are ridiculous. They summarize down to something like "When did you start becoming a Nazi" or "When did you start liking pedophiles, are you also a pedophile?"

Voting has consequences, and burying your head in the sand is no way to deal with that. If the accusations of fascism make you uncomfortable: good. Maybe you should encourage your side to take less steps in that direction and vote for better people.

As for the pedophilia accusations: one of Trump's main talking points was releasing the Epstein files, his AG "had the files on her desk", right wing media pundits were proclaiming everything was going to get exposed and... we get nothing. He now calls it a "Democrat hoax" and tells everyone to forget about it.

Yes, voting does have consequences. My head isn't buried, I'm not easily manipulated by loud internet activists that resort to name calling.

Idk about Epstein or the files, doesn't affect me or 99% of the daily lives of the average wage earner in America. If you think that makes him a pedophile or anyone who supports him a pedophile, well good luck with that.

I am glad you agree you have no problem with pedophiles in office.

> My head isn't buried

> Idk about Epstein or the files

Okay.

I dont believe in this fucking kid gloves bullshit. If you made a decision then man up and fucking own its consequences good or bad otherwise admit you are a coward and liar.

I voted for Trump and generally think he's doing a good job. I don't agree with a lot of things he is doing. Am I a Nazi/Fascist or whatever the term of the week is today?

You are a fucking coward if you can't own up to everything he does both bad and good. If you can't own up to the fact that he is doing several grossly illegal activities including and not limited to turning a legitimate law enforcement agency into a illegal criminal organization then you are a fucking coward, plain and square. If you voted for him you have to openly fucking admit these are wrong or just man up and say you agree with it all. Anything else and you should give up your manhood card.

> I don't agree with a lot of things he is doing

You simply "don't agree" with him banning flag burning, ending birthright citizenship, going after his political opponents and their law firms, threatening broadcasting licenses over speech, his lawsuits against media for saying things he doesn't like, him running a cryptocurrency meme coin and making billions, dropping a case against Eric Adams in a quid-pro-quo, and pardoning the January 6th insurrectionists?

If you're just a single issue voter and not a die-hard MAGA person, surely you can list some of the things you "disagree with" and clearly disavow those actions?

No but you are someone with utter lack of manhood who enjoys inventing imaginary things to get offended over such as imagining you were called nazi.

I see you replied twice attempting to manipulate me by questioning my 'manhood'... twice!

These transparent forms of manipulation don't work the way you think they should. I'm not sure what you think will happen. The only thing it could possibly do is push someone else farther away. You should work on that because it's one of the major reasons we (us voters) got to this place. Good luck!

Where's the manipulation? I am just giving basic objective facts. You can either declare your distance from some acts or say you agree with it. How is calling that unmanly an "emotional manipulation"? Are you stupid or something?

And as for voters, as I said, I don't believe in coddling or kid gloves. I don't give a shit about "feelings" getting hurt, if people are such babies they should shut themselves in.

About 77 million people voted for Trump in 2024, that is 22% of the US population. He is actually far more unpopular than people think.

This is how you lie with statistics.

What percent of the US population is eligible to vote, what percent actually voted, and which percent did Kamala receive?

That would be approximately the same percentage of the population that voted for Obama in 2008. (69 million votes, 304 million people, 22%.) I don't think this is a crazy argument to make, but only if you make clear by this standard almost no President has ever been "popular", and almost no PM in other countries.

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