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Neighbor shielded 7-year-old during South Shore federal raid

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I’m not a US citizen, nor living there. Pretty much nothing surprised me about US news till the last Trump administration, even then, I chalked it up with “oh guess they have an actual dictator with unlimited power now”.

Last week I looked up the ICE and it shocked me. How can people let citizens and neighbors literally get kidnapped out of the street and then held in prisons indefinitely, with intentional zero traceability. You can get lost in the system and be held forever as a prisoner in inhumane conditions, without even being told on which continent you are on.

All because you made comments on social media criticizing the current administration. Or because of your skin color or country of origin.

That’s beyond 1984, beyond dystopia.

> How can people let citizens and neighbors literally get kidnapped out of the street and then held in prisons indefinitely, with intentional zero traceability.

I recently watched a Youtube video saying this is actually pretty normal in North Korea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gm7kSUkBAk

There's an "in Soviet Russia" joke to be made here, but I don't think the situation is that funny.

It's because they crossed a border illegally. At which point when discovered they are entitled to exactly one habeus hearing which basically asks "Well did you actually enter illegally?" and if you did, you are returned to your country of origin (or if they won't accept you, the nearest neighbor that will).

If your country of origin wants to hold you in prison forever.. well that's not a problem the US can solve.

At no point is it because of your skin color, country of origin or your speech. It is because you chose to immigrate illegally.

That nobody else caught you or prosecuted you for 20 or 30 years is a problem, but not a defense. If you murdered someone 30 years ago, you are still guilty of murder.

And reminder, lying on immigration paperwork is also a form of illegal immigration that gets you returned home.

Are you so heartless that you're okay with fucking up people's lives who are living in and contributing to communities? And then there's people who have been following the rules and are being grabbed at green card hearings or immigration appointments. What is wrong with you?

You are not eligible for a greencard (and by extension, immigration hearing) if you have entered illegally.

The feds (ICE) do really like getting deportees at courthouses, especially criminal trials, because they are already handcuffed when going into or leaving the courtroom so they can just literally give the court officers the paperwork and take the deportee.

If these people are such valuable contributors, why do you insist on deprieving their home country of them?

Depriving? They are human beings making choices. Who am I to judge them?

And yes, ICE is apprehending green card holders, people with valid work visas, citizens even (see the raid on the Chicago apartment building).

Your willingness to believe the government is going to use this power responsibly is naive at best.

So, as I customarily offer these days... may the actions you are so supportive of be visited on you and yours. Please tell me how much you like it then.

Nobody who is an American should be ok with this, regardless of your politics. We need to stand up together and clearly indicate this is not what anybody voted for. Forget the Constitution, these people are breaking the Magna Carta. We cannot tolerate Federal actors that exist outside the legal system. We tolerated the FBI only because it was necessary, and we were careful. But local police departments should be standing up to ICE, and judges should be ordering their arrest for this behavior. It is unacceptable in a Democracy. I would encourage local politicians to discuss this with their local police departments and state police. I've worked with State Police before, I know exactly what they would say, at least most of them. They would say this extra-legal shit does not belong in this country, that it is unacceptable. If there would be a civil war happening, it will be between local and state police and ICE. Our friends and neighbors in the police departments should not be ok with this.

> clearly indicate this is not what anybody voted for.

No, this is explicitly what many people voted for. Trump's entire political career started with a speech calling American Hispanics criminals and yelling about building a wall.

There are now counter-protesters showing up to ICE arrests to cheer them.

And you'd have to live under a rock to not have seen Fox news or OAN or whatever spend the last decade (or, wow, is it really two decades now) demanding the imprisonment of their opposition.

This is the Republican party now. Openly.

Presumably this little girl’s parents were arrested. What’s next for her? Hope she’s somewhere safe.

>The mom and girl stayed with their neighbor for three days, he said. He doesn’t know where they are now.

Aren’t they just all being sent back to where they came from?

Not necessarily. Some are being sent to countries they never been to. Sometimes to prison, even though they haven't been convicted of a crime.

Some non-convicts who aren’t criminally wanted in the destination country are being sent to prisons in a country they aren’t from? Source on that specifically?

You’ll have to forgive me, for me the media has cried wolf for so long I don’t take it seriously anymore.

I mean there's the (in)famous example of all the Venezuelans being sent to El Salvador.

lawful behavior is being redefined

What does the PC sticker indicate?

I guessed "premises cleared"

“Politically Corrected”?

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