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1- The Nobel Peace Prize is chosen by a committee of 5 Norwegians. Having Russia or Israel expressing support doesn't help, it's probably even counterproductive. Random endorsements on Twitter don't matter either..
2- The committee values international cooperation, not trade wars, isolationism, or cozying up to dictators.
3- They prize the defense of democracy, not attacks on it.
4- The cherry on the cake: Machado got the prize while he's been threatening war with Venezuela itself. It almost feels like a big f*ck off
Please. At least get the facts right.
It was not just Russia and Israel. It was also Cambodia, Azerbaijan, Gabon and Rwanda.
[1]: https://www.state.gov/secretary-rubios-call-with-the-rightfu...
1- He doesn't turn against her or try to undermine her (he certainly would otherwise)
2- He publicly supports her cause.
3- His attention stays on Venezuela .. I really doubt she wants a full-scale US intervention.
Indeed. Juan Guaidó is yesterdays man.
According to the New York Times...
" She has expressed support for the use of force to depose the Maduro regime; one of her advisors told the New York Times that she has coordinated with the Trump administration and that she has a plan for the first hundred hours after his deposition"
Not sure what democratic mandate she has to be in charge post a foreign led military coup - though she is a graduate of the Yale World Fellows programme.
So rather than a big FU it would appear to be more likely to be an attempt to raise her profile to legitimise a US led coup.
2025 Venezuela opposition, 2023 Iranian opposition, 2022 Belarus, Russia opposition ( and +1 for Ukraine ), 2021 Russian opposition ( +philipines ).
If not influenced by the US - it would appear very much aligned.
In the last 5 years, only in 2024 - celebrating a Japanese who campaigns against nuclear weapons - would it appear not to be aligned.
> I think it also becomes a real test of in-group loyalty to see who can outcompete in slavishness the other members of the circle, who are also competing to be slavish. That’s why you get these strange [phenomena] like Donald Trump’s physicians claiming that he’s the most physically vigorous president ever.
> Now, even when Donald Trump was younger, he was a big man, but he was never a great athlete. And now, as he approaches his 80th birthday, he’s obviously not physically fit.
> The fact is, you’re not just willing to tell a lie, but tell a lie that abases you, that makes you look foolish, that makes you look like you don’t care about yourself at all, that you only defer to the leader. That’s the real sign of loyalty. It’s flattery that is not meant to be believed but functions as a kind of system of in-group recognition.
To me, this is a perfect mirror to Chairman Mao (supposedly) swimming across the Yangtze River in his 70s at a pace faster than an Olympic champion of today.
There’s no meaning to any of it. It’s just propaganda and self-abasement for the purpose of loyalty competition to the leader. In fact, the more ludicrous, the better, because it means you’re willing to fully destroy any personal credibility you may have as a sacrifice to show loyalty.
[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/10/the-dav...
Here is a related tangent:
>Norway walks back US Navy fuel supply boycott
https://www.bairdmaritime.com/security/naval/naval-ships/nor...
(oh wait, that's Denmark, but never mind, a certain president probably wouldn't know the difference; if some Fox News commentator said that Greenland belongs to Norway, he'd believe it).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/10/trump-nobel-...
It’s pretty understandable for Mrs. Corina to take whatever support she gets internationally.
https://x.com/VenteVenezuela/status/1286346531591852036
Providing her with this award while Trump's naval battle groups stand ready to attack Venezuela isnt helping arrest the collapse of the west's moral authority.
I must confess I am no Venezuelan political expert, and it always gives me pause whether the economic siege that has been laid against Venezuela with the sanctions is about democracy, or about access to unrestricted markets (a la United Fruit Company — now Chiquita — and Standard Fruit Company — now Dole plc).
(exception maybe Costa Rica?)
To be clear, Venezuela is long past the "popular socialism" phase and decayed into the "strongman holding on" phase.
A little further research and she sounds like Mrs orangutan.
She supports the sanctions against Venezuela. I wonder what her views are on US-backed military regime-change and blowing-up random Venezuelan boats.
i’m not sure if you’ve seen how many people have lost their jobs for saying truths about kurk or how many people are losing jobs, scholarships, visas, education etc for saying things about a certain regime, but it’s happening, for real. they’re actively pushing to force people to turn over their social media accounts for review.
we can’t blame this poster for vagueposting here. i often pushback against vagueposting but in today’s climate we cant blame people for taking their personal safety seriously when it comes to vocalizing their criticisms.
I'm reminded of the (apocryphal?) Russian protestor arrested for holding a blank piece of paper.
In Singapore someone was charged for holding up a piece of cardboard with a smiley face drawn on it: https://www.economist.com/asia/2020/11/26/public-order-in-si...
That you think anything else is copium of Russian quality. That you think that criticizing Trump would get you fired is absurd. You seriously need to work on yourself. You aren't getting push back for "telling the truth" (which is just repeating questionable things from journalists). You are getting push back for being a terrible human being. So terrible in fact that people are leaving the Dems just because they don't want to be associated with them, not for any policy or something the Reps did.
PS None of this would have hurt the Democratic Party if it wasn't for how you reacted to his death. It was truly the worst thing I have seen in US politics in my lifetime.
Another reason I don't just say it sometimes is to avoid trolling by fans of whatever or whoever I criticized.
Fuck Donald J. Trump, worst President of the Untied States in history.
(To be clear, I don't think Trump should get one; and Obama's win was really weird. But, hey, if Kissinger can get one..)
Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize
If there's one job in the world where I'd wait until someone's well out of office before judging their impact on peace, it's the US presidency.
I'm in a circle of people who lean pretty damn far left and even at the time, the only reactions I heard were "huh, what?"
Sure, but if you want your prize to have an impact, you sometimes have to hand it out to hopefuls?
To me, it seemed oddly aspirational, but maybe that's more often the case with the peace prize, too.
Also worth noting that the language in the press release [1] and facts page [2] makes it all sound like it was for things already achieved (although maybe that's at odds with "Inspires Hope for a Better Future"), and I'm skeptical of looking at year 1 achievements the job with arguably the most destructive power in the world.
It's not a hill I'd fight, let alone die, on, though. :)
1- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/ 2- https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/obama/facts/
But the Nobel price explicitly tries to avoid that; hindsight is always gonna be better.
Meanwhile for Trump... I'm pretty certain he wants it because a clever, charismatic, eloquent and beloved Black man got it...
Price for Obama was probably miss-step but at least he was not desperately begging for it like Trump does.
The deal would likely take months for the world to see if it's successful. He can get nominated next year if he keeps his own house peaceful too, else he should forget about a rational nomination + award of the Prize.
If there's no way for you to change your stance based on any outcome, then it's pointless to say.
Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.
> Also: the day Trump shows genuine selfless happiness for another's accomplishments, there won't be enough boots for me to eat.
Same, but it's also true for anyone else.
As have they? We have many tests for determining whether or not a given person's senses are or not intact.
> Same, but it's also true for anyone else.
Note I said show. If you happen to live in a world where you feel you've been devoid of such empathy then I feel for you, but such an environment of narcissism is hardly representative.
And Trump's regime is openly facist. No other kind of regime would call terrorists those who present themselves as antifacists.
Ironically, trump may win the peace prize next year for ending a war he created. If indeed, against the odds, he has ended this war.
What war did Trump create that you claim he's ending?
Because as far as I know, Israel's war on Gaza started before his term, and if the peace deal holds, Trump will be almost singlehandedly responsible for ending it.
If that's not worthy of a Nobel Peace prize, I truly don't know what else is.
He allowed Israel to break the last ceasefire immediately after the first phase of prisoner exchange was over, and to subsequently act with more brutality than even before. He started that chapter himself, whether through psychopatic indifference, narcisstic business fantasy of a future riviera with his name, or being a completely weak man who couldn't say no. Whatever the reason, he started the next 7 months of slaughter.
For bystanders, be aware that there is a lot of money to be made by defending Israel. Some people will take that money. Just a few citations below:
- Certain social media influencers being paid up to $7000 per post [1]
- Israel boosts propaganda funding by $150m to sway global opinion against genocide [2] [3]
- "[...] a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.” " [4]
[1] https://responsiblestatecraft.org/israel-influencers-netanya...
[2] https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/isr...
[3] https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/israel-has-spent-m...
[4] https://www.jta.org/2025/09/30/united-states/israels-secret-...
Before Israel's invasion, a minority supported Hamas' actions. Now, it will be very hard to find peace during the generational legacy of Israel's violence.
This is why overwhelming violence cannot lead to peace. Israel was justified in defending itself, but proportionality was necessary. As an alternative, I think Mossad have show themselves capable of disabling Hamas without heavy civlian casualties.
It really didn’t help when they gave Obama the prize. Even he was embarrassed by it.
I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved. However, I think it’s far more likely he’s being played for a fool by Israel as per Russia.
Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit.
Norway is no doubt now bracing itself for tariffs or other retaliation. Hopefully they can dangle next year’s prize as worth waiting for.
Just going to drop this here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl...
I don't think that's a fair assessment. I believe Russia is primarily to blame, on account of it repeatedly invading Ukraine.
I believe NATO also encouraged it.
I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point?
(fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)
I had to do a double-take here - where exactly in the video is Ukraine featured?
> I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point?
The entire premise of the video I linked is that Trump has no qualms having the US involved in military action, it befuddles me that you somehow seemed to missed this entirely.
> (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)
Hate has nothing to do with it, you made a statement regarding his stance on foreign wars, I provided a source which I believe contextualizes that statement. You're welcome to disagree with the source or its contents or whatever, but throwing out pretty blatant red herrings and silly strawmen just looks silly.
What exactly is your point? Trump clearly has qualmsin involving the US. Example: he was responsible for the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And people say comedy is dead.
> What exactly is your point?
That Trump isn't as anti-war as he's made out to be
> Example: he was responsible for the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Probably doesn't matter to you that Biden was president when that occurred? [0]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_w...
Biden was indeed president when America withdrew. Obviously. Unsure if you’re trolling. I guess so.
Trump set up the withdrawal during his presidency. Biden went through with Trump’s plan.
So, yes, it was trump who was responsible for the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.
So they were both responsible - my (non-trolling) point.
> So, yes, it was trump who was responsible for the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Also of interest is how he (trump) decided it should be done, and what ramifications this would have for how badly it would go. This is also covered in the video ;)
The current ceasefire proposal doesn't address the wider struggle for liberation of the indigenous people of Palestine, and as such it cannot be anything more than a temporary stop to a 2-year genocide against them. Settlements are still being built and fences around Palestinian houses are still being erected in the West Bank. Ethnic Cleansing continues. There is no peace until Israel undergoes the same transformation that Apartheid South Africa did when it turned into just South Africa (which requires efforts from the entire world to boycott it).
Settlements are continuing in the West Bank, which are widely regarded as illegal by the international community.
There is little doubt amongst international experts that what Israel has done is genocide, and the parallels with South Africa are justified.
I'm hopeful that the genocide won't continue. However, I also think it's unlikely that peace will be achieved. Some form of violence or occupation is more likely, driven by Netanyahu's political interests.
I'm not sure this is what Al Nobel has in mind.
- Obama was embassed by the peace prize. You can read this in his memoir, in his own words.
- If peace is achieved in the Middle East, it will be the greatest peace negotiation since the end of WW2. I'm unsure how anyone can dispute that.
- Netanyahu has a vested interested in prolonging war and crisis, as his own political survival is at stake. Context if anyone is not aware of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_judicial_reform_p... - this makes it very unlikely the 20 point plan will be completed.
- Russia has indeed played Trump for a fool. Putin has bought plenty of time, they now have the upper hand in drone and missile attacks and Ukraine has lost the financial support of America. In return, Putin has conceded absolutely nothing.
- Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars. Good examples are his chastisement of Israel for breaking the earlier ceasefire, and its bombing of Qatar. He also did instigate negotiations with Russia, although he failed. His interventions in other conflicts are also genuine.
- Norway was reported to be bracing itself for retaliation https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-09/norway-on...
I am really unsure why I'm being downvoted here.
Full disclosure: I am not a supporter of Trump, at all. I am a close follower and wide reader around current affairs and politics.
oh, he absolutely 100% would
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-finlands-stubb-expect...