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How would chat control even work, with federated and decentralized networks? This is the reason you should not use signal. Moxie wants everyone to be in a closed loop, tightly controlled by his decisions. Matrix ftw!

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Moxie hasn't worked at Signal for a while now

I wouldn't trust Matrix for my personal security:

https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-ol...

https://web.archive.org/web/20240606031827/https://gist.gith...

don't forget that you're dealing with the state so "we'll kidnap and/or murder you" is a legitimate option as a response to undesired behavior. at least, they think it's legitimate, and they think that thinking otherwise is undesirable behavior, which leads to a bit of a catch 182...

Pursue criminal action against the people making apps or providing servers for decentralized/federated networks.

You make those networks illegal to use. Just using them would be illegal, regardless of the contents of your communications.

In the end it's saying you can learn all the math you want except certain formulas. Just not those.

Good luck with that

You're welcome to run any algorithm you want with paper and pencil, but you might not be able to run them on your devices that are allowed to talk to cellular networks.

Communications that look encrypted can also be straightforwardly flagged and logged for a closer look, perhaps keeping a closer watch on any cleartext messages, metadata that invariably leaks, etc

Yes, because criminals and pedophiles care deeply about following laws. They would never even think of using a piece of software if it was illegal, right?

I can't believe how infrequently this point comes up, given how fundamental a flaw to the whole scheme this point out. So long as you're allowed to have a computer and run code on it, you can run programs that do your bidding. ChatControl cannot be effective, at least I can't imagine for longer than a few months until the first 2% of CSAM handlers are caught who didn't get the memo and spread the word to the remaining 8% who didn't get the memo, until we outlaw computers

It's mind-bending levels of absurdity. Surely nobody intends to (be able to) truly outlaw computers? That cat is out of the bag and people will build them or get their hands on them if they wish

The only possible outcome is that only honest citizens have their chats scanned and devices locked down. The latter has as side effect that Google, Apple, and Microsoft can do whatever the heck they want because open OSes are illegal now

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