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This, for Israel it was a perfect pretext. Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood. It was a cold, cynical decision. He exploited the anger and emotions of the people after October 7th to justify what he is doing now.

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> Netanyahu financed Hamas through Qatar for years because he knew that Hamas is a destructive force for Palestinians and their struggle for nationhood

It's probably as simple as Netanyahu's branded himself as Israel's protector, and if Palestine were to become less threatening, his political prospects sink.

No, it's probably not that simple. His self-interested maneuvering is without doubt part of the story, but it's very unlikely to be all of it.

It was too perfect. To the point where the stand down order stories are believable.

any links for research proving you state?

John Oliver did an In-depth analysis complete with sources in his latest Last Week Tonight. It's titled Netanyahu. Go, watch it, it is illuminating.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Bwix9IjOE

Unfortunately it's not available to me on YouTube:

Video unavailable The uploader has not made this video available in your country

:-(

If you're willing to invest ten minutes and a tenth of a cent, you can spin up a virtual server in an American server farm and set up a SOCKS proxy with `ssh -D 8080 -nNT <user>@<host>`. Then in the Network Settings dialogue (at the bottom of General Settings), Firefox will let you proxy your traffic through it.

You can download with yt-dlp over tor by starting the tor browser bundle and then calling yt-dlp like this:

yt-dlp --proxy socks5://127.0.0.1:9150 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCh5WrNgydw

Heads up for anyone who assumes (like I did) that that is the URL for the John Oliver video, it is not. OP should have used $URL for his example.

In an interview with Politico in 2023, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that "In the last 15 years, Israel did everything to downgrade the Palestinian Authority and to boost Hamas." He continued saying "Gaza was on the brink of collapse because they had no resources, they had no money, and the PA refused to give Hamas any money. Bibi saved them. Bibi made a deal with Qatar and they started to move millions and millions of dollars to Gaza." At a Likud party conference in 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said:

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview:

“Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

I presume boosting Hamas over leftist/revolutionary groups meant less support for Palestinian liberation within the population of Europe and maybe in part the US. The reality of religious fundamentalism in Gaza is heavily exploited in Israeli propaganda, it's an effective deterrent still. If Gaza was held by an organization like the YPG/YPJ (Kurdish autonomy regions) Israel would have had far more, earlier resistance from western governments/populations, I think.

hamas started as islamic charity/community support organization. this is when Israel supported it. when it became political and moved to terrorism - israel stopped supporting it. we are talking early 80s here.

This is factually incorrect. Israel officially supported Hamas up until Hamas actually attacked Israel violently, but the hostile/violent intent was known beforehand. Later Israel supported Hamas covertly through Qatar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Swiss Policy Research has excellent documentation on the promotion of Hamas in Gaza by Israel:

https://swprs.org/2023/10/20/israel-palestine-overview/

I've come around to the possibility that there is a lot more here under the surface than what we general public/plebs are aware of. Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood. MB itself is the poster child of a movement hijacked by Western spook agencies.

They want a heroic victory for MB because the West knows there are going to be numerous billions of Muslims and they can't kill them all so the best thing is to 'control' the religion as they own and run MB.

October 7 completely undermined the non-MB resistance. Hamas jumped the gun, Israel 'stood down', and the axis of resistance was caught like deers in a headlight. They have been 'reacting' ever since and have been losing every step of the way.

Now the question is: Is Qatar/MB upset about all this? ...

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