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I just don't understand why people accept the sheer arrogance of the design of Tesla vehicles.

I don't need to worry about the programming of the computer controlling the door handle in a Honda civic - it's mechanical and will work in basically all circumstances excluding catastrophic mechanical damage - in which case there's 3 backups on the other doors or I'm crushed anyway and it's irrelevant. Meanwhile I hear story after story of various components on Teslas failing in all sorts of ridiculous circumstances - I recall cybertrucks having issues in car washes.

It's insanity.

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Insanity indeed. Along the lines of trusting crucial business functions and general life philosophy to predictive text trained on the internet since no one remembers wow memes accurately proclaiming the true purpose of the internet.

A design group that refuses to use lasers or radar for navigation does not prioritize sound engineering of any type let alone worst case design planning.

Profits must be made. How do you suppose they do that if they don't rush products to market?

This is huge revelation for me. Now to determine why I'm still making just over minimum wage and not designing any death traps

Cybertruck owners are mentally lacking. That was obvious from the start.

Young people just don't have the necessary life knowledge and experiences to avoid unsafe choices. The mental capacity often develops after some harsh life lessons, so long as one survives them.

Bringing up the design flaws of my Model Y in any Tesla groups and I got endless amount of toxicity or aggressive responses. Theres a lot of fanboyism unfortunately. Reminds me of Apple during the Jobs era, but more insidious.

It’s true that before Apple Silicon one could make the argument that the hardware benefits of a Mac were mostly incremental vs a PC. But today that’s not true anymore. Today Apple is both form and function. I’ve personally heard many misguided people still repeating blindly that Apple is “just” fancy design without having used Apple Silicon computer.

Apple computers (unlike their tablet or phones) are saved by extremely good Devs who managed to implement a very good package versions control, brew, and a lot of external software (non-webkit browser being the biggest) make the computer actually good.

I think Apple native package version control is worse than IIS pre-version 7, and that's saying something (maybe it's better now, but that used to be the worse).

What is Apple native package version control? Almost everyone that I know uses brew. And even people who swear by Linux use it, so obviously props to brew.

Apple computers now use more or less the same architecture as their phones, based on ARM. That is why you can install most iPad apps on macOS, and they typically work surprisingly well without any customization. Shared GPU and RAM are a game-changer for efficiency, speed, and battery life.

What is the distinction between computers and phones/tablets you're referring to?

PS FWIW I've used IIS all the way back in Windows XP days. It worked well enough for my needs at that point to run a basic web server from my home computer!

> What is Apple native package version control? Almost everyone that I know uses brew

Exactly. That mean that if you have two ruby versions, or god's forbid, two Php version (along with php server dependencies), and don't have brew, you're basically fucked. It's unusable. Shoot out to brew developers, they made mac usable.

Let's say i have spent a lot of time setting up Hadoops, installing different ETLs developped on different platforms, and application version control without brew on Mac is still one of the most excruciating thing i've ever done (not difficult, just randomly hard and time consuming. Also hellish to debug)

> What is the distinction between computers and phones/tablets you're referring to?

Can't install anything one phone and tablets. Phones i don't care, because i understand why some user want a walled garden, and you have other choices. Tablets, i don't get. You don't have any terminal access, you can't do anything on it. Maybe new version have changed, but each time my father ask me to fix something on his mac tablet, it's hours of finding the issues. On Mac i usually find/fix the issue in minutes (last time was picture ordering). You also have to run a webkit browser, so you have a way inferior adblock, which make the web less usable.

> FWIW I've used IIS all the way back in Windows XP days. It worked well enough for my needs at that point to run a basic web server from my home computer!

I'm sure it was great for personnal project, as long as you don't have to run multiple versions of software. I had to run php4 alongside php 5.1 (or 5.3, not sure) and php 5.6, with different crypt libraries and different everything, it was hell. Less hellish than running two different versions of Ruby on Mac without brew though, and ruby is more opiniated than php about how it is installed, so it is generally easier to manage dependencies, to my original point.

macOS is a UNIX (a certified one even!) so it really doesn’t care what or how you’re running a program. You can put anything anywhere manually on disk and run it. If some of those languages require any “global singletons”, that’s probably their fault even though I doubt that’s the case.

“It’s not exactly the same as Linux” is not a valid complaint for me, in case that’s the root cause of concern. Yes it’s not, and never tried to be. If “near full” isolation is the goal, Docker-style containers are always an option. Then it’s basically the same as Linux.

Also, Python is notoriously finicky with the slight differences between versions. I mostly use the JVM nowadays and that’s a breeze to run any version on the same macOS using a tool like jenv (which is available for Linux, macOS, etc). I believe Python has some of those tools also to make isolated “environments”.

PS In terms of block ads: I literally just “solved this”. I used to run the likes of AdGuard which works decently but I never felt too good about it because it’s a bit opaque about how it actually works. Here’s how you can get your own DNS-based adblock on Mac for free, in just a few minutes:

1. Install dnsmasq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnsmasq

2. Get a dnsmasq-compatible .conf blocklist from https://github.com/hagezi/dns-blocklists

Sample dnsmasq config:

listen-address=127.0.0.1

conf-file=/path/to/chosen_blocklist.conf

#google dns or pick your own

server=8.8.8.8

server=8.8.4.4

3. In your Network settings, set the DNS to 127.0.0.1 This will pass all DNS requests through dnsmasq first

4. Enjoy system-wide (including native apps!) ad-free experience

It's form over function.

That said, a lot of other newer cars already do not have the classic locking lever and handle arrangement.

Today I drove past a new Tesla Model Y, still with a temporary paper tag. As I was passing by I immediately noticed some pretty heavy water condensation inside one of the lateral tail braking lights. I just rolled my eyes.

Wow. If true that’s embarrassing.

"I had silicon valley interns reinvent the car from first principles, surely this wont have any consequences"

In fairness, it's good to be willing to try a different approach from first principles. It's very easy to get locked in by your preconceptions about what works, and as a result miss out on better approaches. The thing is, you also have to have the humility to admit that the new approach is not turning out to be better, and uh... Elon doesn't have that to say the least.

I agree to an extent. If the new approach shows some kind of merit, and that merit is not going to destroy one of your primary requirements, go for it. But doing it for no reason doesnt make a lot of sense.

They certainly move fast and break things.

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