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USA tried to establish themselves in those lands also to prevent future terror attacks, which I think they did. It's questionable if it was worth it or the right thing to do, but in the meantime, you guys in the USA didn't have a single terror attack afterwards, or? (I can't remember to be honest)

What would a single Israel's strike on the 8th of October etc have done? They got 100+ hostages, some are still there btw after 2 years, and there is proof that the civilians knew about it and actually supported it.

People still support Hamas and still believe they will win. Without mentioning that those people (the civilians, yes) supported that s** that "Hamas" had done on the 7th of October - there is plenty of evidence for it.

Interesting link: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

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> which I think they did.

They did not. ISIS was a direct consequence of the US invasion of Iraq. Instead of stomping out terrorists, they created a whole bunch of new terrorist cells and inspired the arab spring uprisings.

Speaking of the US invasion of Iraq.. Here is Netanyahu advising the US to do it:

https://www.c-span.org/clip/house-committee/user-clip-netany...

And more for Israel itself "Israeli intelligence officials had new evidence that Iraq was speeding up efforts to produce biological and chemical weapons"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/17/iraq.israel1

> People still support Hamas and still believe they will win

These people are monsters and idiots. (Not necessarily both.)

Most people seeking peace in Palestine aren't pro-Hamas.

You're going to have to define "peace".

All I ever hear are calls for "ceasefire now" as long as Israel is winning, and those calls are silent whenever there's an offer to exchange hostages for a ceasefire. It does not seem to me that the peace these people are calling for are what you or I would call peace.

> You're going to have to define "peace". All I ever hear are calls for "ceasefire now"

Yup. Ceasefire, hostage return, Israel swears off bombing Hamas for like a year.

> those calls are silent whenever there's an offer to exchange hostages for a ceasefire

Where do you see anyone arguing Hamas shouldn't return hostages?

I see the "ceasefire now" people, who are usually very vocal, quiet every time there is a serious ceasefire proposal.

Furthermore, I see very little international pressure on Hamas to release the hostages, other than from the US. Quite the opposite, the Europeans pressure Israel, not Hamas.

Hamas today has announced they will release all hostages and turn over the government to a 3rd party Palestinian government for a withdrawl.

most recent palestinian poll.

When asked whether it supports or opposes the disarmament of Hamas in the Gaza Strip in order to stop the war on the Gaza Strip, an overwhelming majority (85% in the West Bank and 64% in the Gaza Strip) said it is opposed to that; only 18% support it.

When asked whether it supports or opposed the eviction of some Hamas military leaders from the Gaza Strip if that was a condition for stopping the war, 65% said they oppose it and 31% support it. Support for this step stands at 47% in the Gaza Strip and only 20% in the West Bank.

You really need to cite a source for something like this to be taken credibly.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/997

a lot of interesting things in there

This is very much one sided. Other side of the argument, in civillians supporting horrible violence, doesn't do any favors dor Israel. Most of the world is appalled in the delusional civil society.

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