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> I'm not sure what your point is, though.

Ok. I am saying GrapheneOS and F-Droid is the answer, but I don't think 17 years of what I would describe as Early Access Android was the way to get there.

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Well, the issue with that was that iOS didn't get there, so it does appear like Early Access Android was the only thing that got us there in the end.

Still not what I'm saying. I think we are paying the price for Android being so open right now, with the chaos happening in the US and worldwide. 17 years of messy Android evolution got us to a point where we could possibly start to examine what this has done to us. But based on how my original comment was received, I have much less hope than I did before I wrote it. Especially since I would consider some of the best minds on the internet to be regulars of Hacker News, and before we can even address this issue we need to clarify and understand it. I'm trying to do that here.

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