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It's nice if the 90s can be mythologized as a time of optimism and reaching for a better world. That was when Jamiroquai released "Virtual Insanity", and everybody was very worried about the ozone layer and homelessness. "The world's insane, while you drink champagne, and I'm livin' in black rain," to quote I think from Body Count by Body Count. But everything's relative.

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Yeah, I was also thinking of music when I wrote that:

https://youtu.be/ZTcWojwUrfk?feature=shared

Dee Lite - I Had a Dream I Was Falling Through a Hole in the Ozone Layer

The one example of impeding ecological doom that humanity actually tackled by getting their shit together. Why did we succeed? Many ways to romanticize, but at the bottom of it is that it just wasn't that hard of a problem compared to the real toughies.

(I do believe that climate change worries are also the root of the resurgence of authoritarianism, but that's a story for another time. Just in short the key hypothesis: adopting a hate ideology is just another type of looking away from the problem that has no simple convenient answers)

> (I do believe that climate change worries are also the root of the resurgence of authoritarianism, but that's a story for another time. Just in short the key hypothesis: adopting a hate ideology is just another type of looking away from the problem that has no simple convenient answers)

Oh that's an interesting insight. I'd be up to hear more if you're up for sharing...

Really not that complicated, actually: even at the best of times, it's always a struggle between ideas roughly in the corner of "a better world for everybody" (positivity!) and ideas built on some form of "us vs them" (zero sum, or worse). The latter come in different colors, they can co-opt religious concepts, the idea of community anywhere between the small scale of family all the way to the large scale of nation, or even social constructs orthogonal to those such as class. Or some combination thereof. At the best of times, it's still close enough to a tie between positivity and the others.

Enter climate change: positives become a much harder sell, those can't really ignore it. But the zero sum ones (or negative sum, that difference does not really matter) remain unaffected - or in some ways even become more attractive.

The ozone worry is a weird one to point out because we were optimistic enough to fix it and should heal itself in decades.

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