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Ah right, kiln - Deepfabric was originally named promptwright , and I can see kiln has copied over some of our code and used it for its synth-gen (which is a nice compliment!)

We are actually planning on moving to graphs now, which we are seeing better results with over trees, check it out if you also want to use them in kiln - but you might want to wait until we validate a little more and lift it out of experimental.

I think the key difference between the two since kiln adopted the same approach is the ability to generate reasoning / chain of thought and export to alpaca, chatml, etc - along with direct to unsloth.ai's formatting. I doubt we will have UI as its for running on backend systems and part of an ML pipeline along with being a library / SDK.

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I personally wrote Kiln's SDG code myself -- no code was copied from here or anywhere else. Not sure where that claim is coming from, but it's not accurate.

I might have taken some of the prompts and modified them. I didn't recognize the new name, do recognize the old one.

Edit:

- just confirmed. No code copied. Prompts were originally from the Pluto library, then modified by the library above, then modified again by me for Kiln.

- And just to clarify, Kiln has had supported for chain of thought, reasoning, and all major export formats (ChatML/Unsloth/OpenAI/Hugging Face). Plus API integrations with Together, Fireworks, OpenAI, Google Vertex.

People should try both. I just want to clear on the origins of the code/prompts, and the feature set.

no worries, its not a big deal - I saw promptwrights name referenced in kilns source. Best of luck , looks like a cool project.

Line 1 makes it pretty clear:

    # The contents of this file are adapted from the promptwrite library (https://github.com/StacklokLabs/promptwright),
    # which was adapted from the pluto library (https://github.com/redotvideo/pluto).

https://github.com/Kiln-AI/Kiln/blob/d38a64b598bf21939263bed...

Curious how the OP "just confirmed. No code copied."

I read the code. I also remember writing the code and that comment.

As disclosed: some prompt strings were taken and modified, but none of the code was. The original strings are using a templating library that we don't support, so their code/strings wouldn't have worked in our codebase, nor would the wrapping code. Those interfaces/LOC are all unique. It's possible for some "content" to be taken (partial prompt strings), but zero code, and the statement "copied over some of our code and used it" to be incorrect.

Not trying to make a big deal of this, just clarifying these are separate libraries, with no shared code. Looks like the author saw the comment and assumed we used code (vs prompts); not a big deal, but not the case. Their work is super cool, and did inspire parts of my project.

Also worth noting, the library Pluto originated this prompt (as far as I know), and it's been tweaked/evolved many times over.

Hey There, this thread is getting derailed. Could you please create a separate post for your project and we let this one be for discussion of deepfabric, thanks!

Agreed, and sorry about that. Maybe edit the incorrect comment about "I can see kiln has copied over some of our code" for clarity. I get it was probably honest mistake, but hard not to reply when people are claiming I copied something I didn't. Great project, people go check out deepfabric!

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