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What’s a tapeworm format?

Whatever the training can't assimilate, yet can be transmitted by users as analytic statements.

I'm not sure I understand this. Maybe an example would help, please?

Use your imagination. Any event that cannot be defined by low dimensional meaning (which there are myriad). The problem with the distinctions between event perception (what causes a car crash) and what AI assimilates is the arbitrary bottleneck of words, causal statements, images, deep reductions which are possible illusions of semantics like beliefs, motivations, desires.

Humans can take in a remarkable array of stimuli in order to perform tasks that are not cause and effect through optic flow. AI is stuck behind a veil of predicted tokens.

In essence, AI cannot automate mimicry of understanding even when the magic act demonstrates. Events are already tapeworms, but our skillset is so stuck behind the veil of folk psychology and f science, we are merely pretending we understand these events.

So a tapeworm format is probably somewhat like a non-causal contradictory event that may have infinite semantic readings. Think edges of paradox: Kubrick, Escher, Cezanne, Giorgione, Song Dynasty landscapes, Heraclitus, find the Koanic paradoxes of the East and keep conjoining them. Think beyond words, as thoughts are wordless, the tapeworms are out there, math doesn't and can't see them.

This is what's so jarring about meme-culture, which are tapeworms to AI as they are tapeworms to narrative containment culture, what might be viewed as academia/intelligensia/CS engineering/plain English media, the tapeworms are here, CS I think assumes the causal/semantic linkages are simple, meaning is low-bandwidth, but the reality is semantic is both limitless (any event) and illusory (meme-culture ie several memes in sequence). AI has no path in either case.

maybe chatgpt can help us understand it better

chat can't grasp what it hasn't been trained to automate.

I don't think you actually grasp what you're writing either, or at least you can't explain it in any coherent way, so LLMs are no worse on that score.

There are vast, unexplored sums of knowledge that LLMs can't automate, mimic or regurgitate. This is obvious simply from meme-culture. Try asking Chat GPT to derive meaning from Kirk's shooters casing engravings. Listen to the explanations unravel.

Once you attach the nearly limitless loads of meaning available to event-perception (use cognitive mapping in neuroscience where behavior has no meaning, it simply has tasks and task demands vary wildly so that semantic loads are factors rather than simple numbers), LLMs appear to be like puppets of folk psychology using tokens predictably in embedded space. These tokens have nothing to do with the reality of knowledge or events. Of course engineers can't grasp this, you've been severely limited to using folk psychology infected cog sci as a base of where your code is developed from, when in reality, it's almost totally illusory. CS has no future game in probability, it's now a bureaucracy. The millions or billions of parameters have zero access to problems like these that sit beyond cog sci, I'll let Kelso zing it

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oK0E4siLUv9MFCYuOoG0Jir_65T...

No one — human or LLM — actually knows the meanings of the phrases that Tyler James Robinson wrote on his cartridge casings. There's lots of speculation but he isn't talking, and even if he was we wouldn't know whether he was telling the truth. If you want us to take you seriously then you'll have to come up with a valid example instead of posting a bunch of pseudo-intellectual drivel.

You're proving me correct. The pseudoscience is CS, it has no game in events. The interdisciplinary search for semantics derived from events isn't pseudo-intellectual drivel, it's the central quest of key sciences and subfields that range into neuroscience.

Of course we can concatenate meanings from his behavior and clues, but these meanings are not accessible in AI or narratives. You're essentially throwing in the towel as proof legacy explanations have died in automation in AI.

Face it CS, your approach is bureaucratic, for enforcing the dead status-quo of knowledge, not for the leading edges.

> No one — human or LLM — actually knows the meanings of the phrases that Tyler James Robinson wrote on his cartridge casings.

But of course we do! The right-wing groyper theory crashed on the rocks so we're left with a deranged leftist who killed in the name of his leftism.

No, memes subvert politics in general. They're references of nihilistic chaos that dissolves left and right.

"Your Honor, have you ever heard of Marcel Duchamp?"

Duchamp played the status game of arbitrary signals as representations for high status. He's not a chaos agent. He's a relic of a generation trying to get into galleries and museums for status. It's not even close to meme-culture.

Ok, so Tyler Robinson is a sincere Dadaist in a way that the founders were not.

Flush out your headgear oldster. Dada was a status gain group in a hierarchical system. Meme-culture is 21st C non-linear chaos deep in horizontalization. Take your academic art history takes to plain English status seeing magazines.

> Flush out your headgear oldster. Dada was a status gain group in a hierarchical system. Meme-culture is 21st C non-linear chaos deep in horizontalization. Take your academic art history takes to plain English status seeing magazines.

Just want to memorialize that. Calling it here.

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