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Why not deal with it the same way teachers have always felt with students breaking the rules?

Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI.

I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professor's problem, who could also not give a shit, and then they become our problem when they enter the workforce.

The educators will adapt. They might use AIs to grade papers written by AIs.

Or, do what my kids' school did for some classes. Instead of teaching in class and then assigning homework, the homework will be reading a text book and classroom time will be spent writing essays by hand, doing exercises, answering questions, etc...

How does grading with AI help when the content is generated by AI? might as well just take humans out of the loop, but I don't think we're in a post scarcity society yet...

You can go back to requiring home assignments be written by hand. It won't completely fix the AI issue, because you can still ask ChatGPT and then rewrite it, but it helps because it's very tedious and time consuming, so the benefit is much lower.

If that is not enough, we may have to stop grading take-home papers. Which is a good idea anyway.

This is not a bad idea, teaches dexterity too. Just don't be too harsh on those of us who have had and always will have terrible handwriting :)

Then they should be flunked. It sucks but parents need to enforce real learning. Schools can't be the sole "responsible" entity here. This is not the instructor's fault and school admin needs to push back. We as a society need to push back otherwise it all falls apart. Not everyone can be a blue collar worker, and most of the BC workers I know tend to be decent at math at least in those items that are part of their work, which they certainly couldn't have picked up if they didn't at least know some basics arithmetic

> Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI.

I think that obvious solution is for them to write those essays in school.

Maybe this is the answer to the fermi paradox. Intelligent life eventually invents the LLM, education collapses, dumb people empowered by technology destroy the environment.

I mentioned it already, my sister resigned from her tenure track position due to a fight over this. She was strict, students reported her, faculty wouldn't assign her choice course, she resigned after one and a half year.

This is why in person tests are given and bad grades as a result as part of the student feedback performance improvement loop. Maybe with AI as a new interloper we need to decrease "report card" times to 3 weeks (it was 9 weeks in my day) so that students have some shortened loop time with parental unit reviews to help straighten out issues before they become real problems.

Because the US is assbackwards when it comes to education since the NCLB basically forces schools to make up metrics to prevent everyone losing their job through closure.

Because a teachers job is to make sure N% of the class passes as much as it is to teach. If you fail have the class, you have failed as a teacher because the administration will get parents coming in. If you force your class to do assignments by hand, especially in younger grades, more will fail, and you will be blamed and fired.

Because 1) you often can't prove it, and 2) there often isn't support from administration.

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