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Many comments focus on Trump, but I think the deeper problem lies with America itself. After all, America elected Trump twice.

I don't agree with Peter Zeihan on many of his views, but I think his point about the collapse of the global order set up by America is what's happening.

Trump is dismantling the global order/rule of laws established by America after WWII and the Cold War. I find it ironic that Ian Bremmer said the Chinese care more about the rule of law (established by America) than Americans do in this interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvvzx-ecTrw

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> Ian Bremmer said the Chinese care more about the rule of law (established by America) than Americans do in this interview

I was confused why they didn't support Ukraine more. By not strongly condemning stuff like Crimea they seem to deeply undermine their position with regards to Taiwan

After two decades of reports on Trump's ties to Russian crime in his real estate and Russian government in his politics... You were confused why Trump and the Party of Trump do not strongly condemn Russia and regularly take stances that strengthen that geopolitical group's goals?

given the context.. the "they" here means China

China knows NATO will turn on them if Russia is defeated. Also, the narrative that Russia launched an unprovoked attack on Ukraine isn't strong outside the West. It's more complex, starting with Bush announcing Ukraine eligible for NATO membership, the Maidan coup, and 8 years of civil war against the 4 Eastern Oblasts that voted to secede from Ukraine.

Mmm, I don't see how the historical context for the conflict is relevant

> 4 Eastern Oblasts that voted to secede from Ukraine

I mean.. "lol"

Most importantly for the current topic, there is no international mechanism for regions to legally secede. This is basically "not okay". China can't possibly approve of that. The whole Chinese claim to Taiwan rests on that not being okay.

Your first point makes more sense. Maybe the goal is tieing up Europe with an idiotic conflict? But they undermine themselves and don't really win much of anything

Both can be true. Historians can dig into economic conditions in interwar Germany, lack of deep sea ports, colonies, etc. But also: Adolf he one mad cookie.

The focus on trump is to not blame and upset the individual people. Reality is we all know that it's the Americans own fault, and basically what they wanted and obviously decided for and still do.

> Trump is dismantling the global order/rule of laws

He’s doing nothing of the sort.

He’s dismantling how every country sees, trust, trades and deals with the US, and only the US.

Everyone else will just look to everyone else and the US won’t be involved

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