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Those "over complex" code bases like curl handle a lot of edge cases. Your 300 lines of C is starting over and relearning what they already learned.

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Also, software is hard to write, and second system syndrome causes loads of loathing and misery even when the goal is to "do it right, aka simple, this time."

That said, sometimes we need to take on the risk and effort of making a second system. I have often thought about the relearning/doomed-to-repeat-history problem, and I wonder if software - especially some open source software - might be uniquely positioned to build a second system due to bug trackers.

The bug trackers in software like Firefox effectively capture a large percentage of a project's history and design decisions. It seems to me that the bug tracker for a projects' predecessor could lay the proper frame for its successor.

I agree! However in many cases, these edge cases (I'm not speaking of curl now) are not needed for my personal use. E.g. if I use linux/windows/os, I do not care about how my tool behaves on the other os, I do not want to support all kind of hardware etc. If I am the only users, I can prune these use-cases (and features I mentioned in the post) significantly. E.g. I reimplement a subset of vim at the moment, I do not use LSPs or syntax highlighting in my work, I do not need to implement support for them in my editor.

I'm thinking of something like curl specifically where the edge case isn't your machine, it's the machine you're talking to. Can I write my own curl-like downloader in a few hundred lines of code? Yes. Is it going to work first try with a 30 year old apache file server? Probably not. Do I want something that works "good enough" which breaks when I'm in the middle of a time crunch... or do I want something production tested that's probably not going to fail on me at the worst possible moment.

I'm willing to accept a little bloat and pass on inventing wheels myself if I can grab something reliable off the shelf. I don't think that makes me less self reliant.

Yeah, I don’t think the curl example was meant as a knock against curl or advice not to use it. I think any command-line user would agree that curl is not bad or bloated software, which is what they criticize.

The point seemed to be that even a rock-solid tool like curl started out tiny — just a few hundred lines — before growing to cover all the edge cases you’re describing. It’s more about showing that you can start with something simple for your own needs and customize it without depending on someone else.

There's the old saying, there are three types of people. Dumb people never learn from their mistakes, smart people learn from their mistakes, and wise people learn from the mistakes of others.

I try to choose wise, even if someone will later throw shade on me for not being "self reliant" or some other insult of the day. If my goal is to write a better libcurl, then that's what I'll work on. But that's basically a solved problem and working on that doesn't seem like the best use of my time.

and a lot of legacy baggage.

We should begin collecting and centralizing the insights learned from the development of software outside the source code of specific projects

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