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It will absolutely get worse. We're still in the beginning stages. The amount of information on this plan from Peter Thiel, Vance, Curtis Yarvin, etc is abundant by now. They talk about their "vision" for a technofeudalism society openly, it's not a secret. This deal with the UK is a harbinger for what's to come around the entire globe.

This take will be controversial I'm sure and possibly bring me downvotes, but I predict folks like Gavin Newsom - who currently appear to be rising against this movement - will be joining their ranks in the long run. Thiel's platform suggests that ordinary citizens are too stupid to vote in their own best interest, they just end up stalling progress; which Thiel will then point to MAGA as evidence of this. It's an oversimplification of course, but I guarantee things will transpire along those lines to convince other powerful folk to join their cause.

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Thiel is the US' Zhang Zhidong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zhidong

He could also be Shen Buhai, incarnate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_Buhai

Either one of these figures could provide us clues as to how to head off Thiels' insanity.

> Thiel's platform suggests that ordinary citizens are too stupid to vote in their own best interest, they just end up stalling progress; which Thiel will then point to MAGA as evidence of this.

I haven’t heard this, and I hope I’m not being given enough rope to hang myself either, but this kind of makes sense. MAGA has pretty completely shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will not vote in their own interests, or even the interests of their county, or anyone (as far as I can tell).

Yeah you can't assume Thiel is competent either. Running a country is completely different from running a business. The most I'd be inclined is give them Mississippi for a decade or two let's see what happens.

Completely agree with that point.

I believe in Thiel's eyes, MAGA and "the left" are equally inferior groups of society. He's simply using MAGA as a vehicle to implement his plan and convince other like-minded elites to support him. If you listen to some of his interviews in podcasts, you can actually hear a bit of surprise and excitement in his voice in how rapidly he's making movements on the back of the current political environment.

MAGA is one example of the stupidity of the collective godhead.

The average US citizens' compliant wilfulness and irresponsibility with regards to the US' war crimes, yet another.

It doesn't just have to be about what Americans do to themselves. This phenomenon is just as easily observable in what Americans do to other nations.

So, if there is hope, it lies in the proles. The ones that live outside the US' borders.

Where's the Underground Resistance when you need it!?

> Thiel's platform suggests that ordinary citizens are too stupid to vote in their own best interest

What gave him that right to conclude it that way? There are plenty of us who think he’s an idiot to decide on other people’s behalf!!

> ordinary citizens are too stupid to vote in their own best interest

And the oligarchs have the best interest of the citizens in mind? If not, I don't understand the argument.

I don't think they care about the citizens either. That's not the point. I'm sure others have their own interpretations, but everything I gather from Thiel's books, podcasts, interviews, etc suggests that he believes he's part of a group of intellectuals that are actively working towards technological advancement for the benefit of himself and others like him. We - as ordinary citizens - are in his way. He's totally fine with "leaving us behind" so to say and that's his sell to other powerful elites: they can usher in his grand vision or rot with the rest of us.

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