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So your employer's interview process isn't able to differentiate between a fake degree holding scammer and you? I'd focus on that first...

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That’s a cute ad-hominem but ultimately off base because that’s not how the diploma mills scam works. I really encourage you to research those topics a bit - it is genuinely fascinating how complex the scams get. There’s also a bit of self-reflection that arises when you learn that these people don’t understand why scamming and cheating is wrong - they’re genuinely incapable of comprehending this. It makes you appreciate people who aren’t like that, including yourself! (hopefully)

> these people don’t understand why scamming and cheating is wrong

Moreover, they openly brag about it. My wife's brings stories from her hair stylist that's very chatty about the ways they literally move their family from India to US and Canada. People fake marriages, divorces, report abuse etc etc. I'm still not sure if it's all true, but the very fact she brags about it is astounding.

Also to your original question here, I am involved with hiring :). I can differentiate with very little effort.

Great, so if they're as obviously bad as you claim, then it should be easy to weed them out for any competent HR department. And if the HR department isn't competent, the company is going to fold. Either way, problem solved.

You felt it appropriate to jump on your little throne and pass judgement on large groups of people, but cried ad-hominem when I slightly criticized you. Sensitive much?

How is the problem solved? You have an entire industry dedicated to scamming immigration systems around the world and your solution is to simply avoid getting scammed? It’s a lot easier to cut them off as per the article. The problem IS the scammers.

I don't fix security bugs by requesting people to not exploit them.

This dialogue suggests to me you are incapable of conceiving of a high trust society. So much like the people we’re discussing, yes we need to harden the system because of people with your mentality. It might sound crazy but there was a time when we didn’t, and that’s when these immigration systems were designed. Hence the easiest thing to do is simply unplug such low trust societies from access. They are detrimental to the well being of the host.

IMO, the larger economic framework and current political climate is whats causing the breakdown of trust, more than anything else. Many citizens have switched off from politics, simply don't care, or are busy trying to put food on the table. The presence of an insignificant number of temporary workers isn't going to change whether the US becomes a high-trust society. We're going around in circles here, so lets move on..

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