If a policy of de-escalation can be honored, you can lay the groundwork for a medium/long term solution that respects all sovereign parties.
> So that is the state, that thinks, that the land is god given theirs, right?
Though there does exist a small religious minority that does claim the holy land to belong to Jews as it was given by God, I only know one such person. Most Israelis feel that Israel should be a Jewish state because we earned the land in the same fashion as almost every other nation on Earth, and certainly in the same fashion as ever other nation in the Middle East.But I'll tell you who does think that certain land can only belong to people of a specific race. People who call the holy land "Palestinian land". The invention of that term was, as are many of the anti-Jewish arguments, an inversion of the Jewish use of "God -given land". And just as you reject the idea when it is used by Jews, so would a logical person reject the idea when used by our enemies.
But that is a side issue, since Israel is the one taking territory away, that is not theirs to take. It is not theirs, due to people living in that land and having lived there for many generations. Then armed settler gangs supported by the IDF violently hunt Palestinians out of their homes and plundering them. That's not all of it, there are even cases of murder without prosecution.
So the point is the perpetrator, whether it is one side or the other, needs to stop, be put back into their internationally recognized borders, and we need to do what we can to make the perpetrator stay there.
> Too bad the religious fanatics don't use their religion to do good and be social and friendly instead.
Agreed 100% on that! Nobody was chosen and no land belongs securely to a single race. > since Israel is the one taking territory away, that is not theirs to take
This is incorrect. As frequently as Israel is accused of "stealing land", all land that Israel holds was won in a defensive war.Now there are nuances of land belonging to the state, and occupation, and annexation, and personal property rights, and the relationship between different bodies ruling and maintaining (or not maintaining) areas A, B, and C. But Israel is not stealing land. If there are specific incidences that you would like to discuss, then please mention them. This is my hobby, I might have an answer ))
> armed settler gangs supported by the IDF violently hunt Palestinians out of their homes and plundering them.
Please mention such an incident, I would much rather address a specific incident than talk in general. > That's not all of it, there are even cases of murder without prosecution.
Yes, I do agree that has happened. I'm not going to whitewash or deny facts. > be put back into their internationally recognized borders
You should be aware that the internationally recognised borders of the state of Israel include Gaza and the West Bank (but not the Golden Heights). These are the borders of Mandatory Palestine after Jordan was cut off (1923 I believe). The green line is a cease fire line - not an internationally recognised border. This fact was used to justify many cross-border attacks against the state of Israel. The principal is that a successor state inherits the borders of its predecessor state.If they exist, then please show me those millions protesting. That would improve my image of the Israeli civilian population from "most don't care because it is not them suffering" to "there definitely is a sizable portion who does care and wants to be heard and seen".
- They are suffering severely. - They are suffering due to the education of UNRWA, teaching them that the murder of Jews is the highest honour.
Of course we feel pity for them. But pity is not actionable - and we want our hostages back.
(1) Stop of all armed offensives.
(2) Complete dismantling of genocidal and corrupt government. Netanyahu and his gang in front of international courts, and then afterwards additionally in front of an Israeli court.
(3) Partial disarming of Israel, to restore a balance in the region, and keeping them from attacking more countries. Defensive weapons they may all keep, maybe even get more, but it really needs to be defensive stuff, for example to intercept missiles/rockets. Unfortunately, a lot of that stuff is needed more in Ukraine right now, which should take priority over Israeli needs.
(4) Organization of elections. Israel needs to get back from authoritarianism to functioning democracy. This might be done with international help. Possibly reforms, that strengthen courts, so that a second Netanyahu is unlikely to happen again.
(5) Long running rebuilding projects in at least Gaza, if not more countries, financed by Israel.
(6) Probably some international peacekeeping will be needed. This should not only include personnel from western countries. Must be from countries not directly involved and not from the US, or some EU countries, that supplied weapons used for the genocide.
(7) Negotiations are on again, this time with a new government, and mostly about how Israel thinks to aim for a peaceful future, in which it gives back illegally annexed territories, including, of course, illegal settlements in the west bank. This also includes all the illegally taken or occupied territory since founding, back to internationally recognized borders.
That's mostly the Israeli side of things. Of course Hamas will also have to make concessions. For example there could also be disarming of Hamas, where this is the price to pay for release of prisoners and a portion of the illegally occupied territories by Israel. Hamas shouldn't be helpless, but also shouldn't be able to launch new significant offensives.
There are many things, that can be done, and they are not difficult to see. They are difficult to execute in the current climate, where the powerful country has an authoritarian leadership, that is unwilling to compromise.
What does de-escalation look like in Gaza? Allowing Hamas to regroup and re-arm, so they can repeat October 7 as they publicly promised to do?
There was an alliance in 2020 between Israel and UAE United Arab Emirates. No need to say that it’s not the most promising alliance anymore.
Other countries that were neutral on Israel see their arabian population utterly hate Israel so they have to adapt and behave consequently.
They manage to unite the whole Arab front against them when they should have played on their division.
This is really a bad plan on long term. Despite what trump is saying, Iran nuclear weapon is very close. They failed on that matter too although there was a real opportunity with the agreement during Obama.
I don’t see a bright future for Israel in these conditions, all the weapons in the world can’t defeat hate from 450 millions Arabians.
Beside, people don’t want Israel military to fail, they want it to stop killing 80% civilians and 50% women and children. That’s completely different.