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My comment yesterday, which received one downvote and which I will repeat if/until they’re gone: HTTP and JS have to go. There are ways to replace them.

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One downvote is not enough.

One upvote is not enough. We need enough upvotes to fix the problem. You can’t shape a big pile of shit into success. HTTP and JS will never serve as a proper application framework.

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Bruh

Would you care to elaborate? What solution do you propose, and how would it be implemented? How would removal of JavaScript and HTTP solve the dependency malware issue being discussed?

JS execution model and semantics naturally lend themselves to these huge dependency trees with easily obfuscated code. There are wider non-language specific strategies to really nail this problem but the language isn’t helping and at the same time is causing 1,000 other problems because it was designed to validate phone numbers in a text input.

I appreciate that HTTP sounds tangential but my point is the whole stack is designed wrong for what it’s doing and we waste all of our time commenting on and fixing the 1,000 manifestations of that rather just fix the architecture. There are political reasons for that I won’t get into.

Upvotes won't fix the problem. Build the future you want, then people will come.

Doing my best but it’s a lot of work

HTTP?

We have good protocols for sharing programs. HTTP was designed to share stylized documents which it’s OK at. The browser probably should have stuck to rendering and left the p2p file sharing to a better protocol. It absolutely is not fit for the problem domain its been shoehorned into nor does it need to serve that role.

I dont follow. Are you saying the web should be p2p not client server? Or there is something specifically bad about http?

If one of us has a program and the other wants to use it, between the two of us we had better come up with the hardware. That’s the lesson of the last 20 years. Clouds and data centers have proven to be an ecological and privacy disaster. Compute needs to live at the edge and be truly owned by users and those making programs. Not rent seeking tech vultures.

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