"I don't think this ends happily."
Still, 700 million users, and they can still add a lot of products within ChatGPT. Ads will also be slapped on answers.
If all fails, Sam will start wearing "Occupy Jupiter" t-shirts.
Still, 700 million users, and they can still add a lot of products within ChatGPT. Ads will also be slapped on answers.
If all fails, Sam will start wearing "Occupy Jupiter" t-shirts.
Ads won't be slapped onto answers, my guess is that they will be subtly and silently inserted into them so that you don't even notice. It won't always be what you see either as companies, political groups, and others who seek to influence you will pay to have specific words/phrases omitted from answers as well.
AI at this point is little more than a toy that outright lies occasionally yet we're already seeing AI hurting people's ability to think, be creative, use critical thinking skills, and research independently.
Reddit.
And if someone is using an LLM for either topic, my sympathy goes out the window. Same as with reddit. E.g. if you take the discourse on /r/worldnews seriously, you deserve to be propagandized.
Once OpenAI turns to ads, I think it's an indicator they are out of ideas.
They aren't pulling an Amazon snd balancing cash flow with costs. They're just incinerating money for a low value userbase. Even at FB arpu the economics are still very poor.
Okay, so still hundreds of millions of users
>They aren't pulling an Amazon snd balancing cash flow with costs.
Nobody said they were. I said having hundreds of millions of completely free users would suck the profitability of any business, and that the remedy would be simple, should the need for it arise.
>They're just incinerating money for a low value userbase.
If you don't see how implementing ads in a system designed for having natural conversations to users whose most common queries are for “Practical Guidance” and “Seeking Information” could be incredibly valuable then you have no foresight and I don't know what to tell you.
>Even at FB arpu the economics are still very poor.
No they aren't and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Inference is cheap and has been for some time.
Implementing adds is a hail-mary. It puts them in a knife fight with google which will likely result in a race to the bottom which OpenAI cannot sustain and win.
FB global ARPU is about 50 USD. At 700M customers, they do 35B in revenue annually. This compares to a publicly stated expected cost of approximately 150B in computing alone over the next 5 years (see: https://fortune.com/2025/09/06/openai-spending-outlook-115-b...). This leaves a profit of 5B per year, with 90B expected r&d costs. Even if OpenAI develops a product and fires all employees, you are looking at a ROIC of about 18 years.
Fundamentally, OpenAI does not have the unit economics of a traditional SaaS. "Hundreds of millions of users" is hundreds of millions of people consuming expenses and not generating sufficient revenue to justify the line of business as a going concern. This, coupled with declining enterprise AI adoption (https://www.apolloacademy.com/ai-adoption-rate-trending-down...) paints an ugly picture.
They are gaining everywhere. Some more than others, but to say they are only gaining in poorer markets is blatantly untrue.
>FB global ARPU is about 50 USD. At 700M customers, they do 35B in revenue annually.
Yeah, and that would make them healthily profitable.
>This compares to a publicly stated expected cost of approximately 150B in computing alone over the next 5 years
Yes, because they expect to serve hundreds of millions to potentially billions more users. 'This leaves a profit of 5B per year' makes some very bizarre assumptions. You’re conflating a future-scale spending projection with today’s economics. That number is a forward-looking projection tied to massive scale - it doesn’t prove current users alone justify that spend, and they clearly don't. There is no reality where they are spending that much if their userbase stalls at today's numbers, so it's just a moot point and '5B per year' a made up number.
>Fundamentally, OpenAI does not have the unit economics of a traditional SaaS.
Again, Everything points to their unit economics being perfectly fine.
- Prices of API access of Open models from third-party providers who would have no motive to subsidize inference
- Google says their median query is about as expensive as a google search
Thing is, what you're saying would have been true a few years ago. This would have all been intractable. But llm inference costs have quite literally been slashed several orders of magnitude in the last couple of years.
I've replied to you once man. Feel free to disengage but let's not act like this has been some ongoing debate. No need to make up stories.
Again, there are many indicators that inference per user is cheap. Even the sheer fact that Open AI closed 2024 serving hundreds of millions of users and lost 'only' 5B is a pretty big clue that inference is not that expensive.
Imagine 700M users “doomchatting” with GPT5 for several hours per day to justify the ROI of advertising.