So now you want to pretend that "constructive conversation" doesn't refer to Kirk's debates, but rather our exchange?
When you have to change the terms of the discussion, it's because your argument is weak.
When you have to change the terms of the discussion, it's because your argument is weak.
Otherwise, you would have stopped your reply at the first line. That could have been a great question if you cared enough to read to the answer before dismissing it.