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LLM companies are Nvidia wrappers, who is a TSMC wrapper, who is an ASML wrapper. So Mistral is just an ASML wrapper.

This is very bad analogy, there is no case of different layers of abstractions here.

The machines that ASML make are just a tool that TSMC uses, TSMC doesn’t wrap the machines. Nvidia is also not a TSMC wrapper, TSMC is just a contractor for Nvidia. LLMs happen to use Nvidia stuff a lot but, definitely no wrapping.

Woah woah woah

AMD promises ROCm will stop being a joke very soon! Maybe this year even!

AMD is also just a TSMC wrapper though...

Isn't AMD an ASML wrapper too?

Everything is wrapper copper, iron, salt, and water

what if everything is actually just owned by a collaborative initiative between big proton, electron and neutron ;)

Big Matter

do not get me started at quark level....

ASML in turn wraps a bunch of companies for lenses (Carl Zeiss), lasers (Trumpf), etc [0]

Given lenses and microchips are both made from sand, I'm gonna conspiracy theory that LLMs were invented by sand companies to sell more sand.

[0] https://www.robotsops.com/complete-list-of-all-suppliers-and...

> LLMs were invented by sand companies to sell more sand.

Big sand will eat us all. First they squeezed out all the small time sand farmers, now they own the market and need to boost throughput!

I suppose the childhood fear of quicksand wasn't irrational after all.

Well most of the highest purity quartz for IC manufacturing (crucibles) comes from the Spruce Mine funny enough.

https://www.construction-physics.com/p/does-all-semiconducto...

> Big sand will eat us all.

Sand companies more like sandworms who are producing melange (Chips) and not hesitating to eat away its consumers (Users) on the way... (# Dune vibes)

If we’re gonna go all the way down this road, I’ve seen the global economy described as “extracting carbon from the earth and putting it into the atmosphere as fast as possible”.

Carbon based lifeform trying to create Silicon based lifeform

Elon is doing both.

ASML is "just a wrapper" for US technology licensed to them because Canon and Nikon were too close in size to each other to privilege one or the other. So we bestowed it on guy #3 (who bought guy #4) out of preventing anti-competition.

Sure, all technology is invented in the US. Only the US

Not all. Maybe the majority of modern inventions. And definitely EUV tech.

None of this wrapper talk is real but to the degree it’s true for TSMC it’s true for ASML.

what is the source of your assumption that the majority of modern invensions is US based?

For EUV it's Japan, Netherlands, Germany, US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ultraviolet_lithograph...

So not (only) US

ASML itself is just Carl Zeiss wrapper

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