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You can only cut costs so much before you're selling the equivalent of a $50k geo metro.

When they removed the center horn and the stalks from their cars, they officially jumped the shark. But I bet they saved at least $50 per car from their costs. I still can't believe the NHTSA hasn't issued a recall.

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My new Y still has a horn and stock? And while everyone wishes their car was cheaper it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e, despite being cheaper

> it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e

Having owned both, I’m not even sure where to begin with how laughably inaccurate that is. We can start at functioning automatic wipers, 360 degree cameras, parking assist that actually works, a knob to control stereo volume, accurate marketing numbers for range, a dealership network that actually will fix the issue, insurance that isn’t insane, headlight brights that actually dim at an appropriate distance for oncoming traffic, cruise control that doesn’t phantom brake (slam on the brakes for no reason) traveling down the highway…

Need I continue? Because I can.

> parking assist that actually works

Are you sure you owned both? You're sort of exposing yourself as never having owned a Tesla at all (at least not a new one). I've never experienced phantom braking in my Y (although I have in a ford escort), and the headlight dimming is pretty good (again in the new model Y, unsure about an old one).

Niceness is subjective, so I suppose it's inappropriate to declare it as nicer, but it is a premium car. The materials and experience are much nicer than, say, a Camry, and is on par with vehicles in its class if not better.

A base Model Y costs $18,000 more than a base Camry when the price is not being artificially lowered by the government. Different price range entirely.

Correct. That’s why the Model Y is in a different class than a Camry. The Camry is my example of a modern geo metro

> I've never experienced phantom braking in my Y

And with just that statement you’ve lost all credibility. The internet is literally full of endless people complaining about phantom braking including the Tesla forums. The “fix” is to pay for FSD which isn’t a fix at all. It’s extortion.

I loved driving my 3 cylinder convertible geo metro! It was the 'sport' version so you could actually hit 60 if you held the peddle down long enough but it rode like it was on rails because of how light it was!

I get your broader point; comparison to a Geo Metro is a bit much.

Yeah, at least the Geo Metro had an easy to use horn, turn signal stalks, and reliably functional wipers.

Also has an instrument panel the driver can easily see.

I’ve driven a Model 3 and its handling and overall feel was worse than a barebones Honda Civic. I’d say a Model 3 is on par with how a low end Chrysler feels to drive.

I daily drive a Model 3 and when I rented a Honda Civic for a trip I thought it was broken with how long it took to get any speed. You're trolling regarding the Chrysler comment lol

Why are you staring at your instrument panel and not the road? The speed is just a glance at the top corner as you should be focused on driving ;)

After driving car with HUD the Tesla's approach is laughable. Especially when you need to maintain different speed limits in the city.

Reminds me cheap Peugeot 107 where tachometer is an extra option.

And turns out that a small torquey engine in a car with very little mass is actually pretty fun to drive! Even if you’d prefer not to be seen doing it.

Wait, how do you honk on a Tesla?

There’s a capacitive button on the newer steering wheels.

Let me guess, you can pay a premium for the “old” style wheel and stalk?

No, the horn is in the middle, the capacitive horn only steering wheel existed on early builds of the model S refresh (when plaid was first released), but after ~6 months they added the normal horn back.

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-DEB259C...

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/models/en_us/GUID-DEB259C...

The X has a capacitive horn.

And for anyone with an S who wanted to not have that garbage? A $2k “upgrade” - only Tesla.

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