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Ask HN: Is Reddit going the way of Stack Overflow?

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Stack Overflow was once a haven for tech questions & explanations in the early 10's. At some point, the mod team soured and started deputizing members that started shunning and deleting comments for thinly justified reasoning. Things like asking a question that was asked 8 years ago would get your question deleted, ignoring the fact that tech reasonably could have changed in those 8 years. The site was not only generally toxic, it was difficult to actually use. Searching on google your question "stack overflow" was the main use case in the late 10's. LLM's have been the final nail in the coffin for SO, and the usage charts reflect this. Why bother carefully searching and phrasing your question to get a sassy answer 8 hours later, when Claude will give you an answer in 5 seconds with approximately the same accuracy of an internet stranger?

So - is Reddit headed the same way as SO? The mods of individual subreddits have been toxic for ages. Political subs curate hive minds, niche topics exclude members that are less informed, etc. Reddit admins, the ones that are emplyoed by the site, are also generally anti-user. Banning members without cause, poor or no explanations of what the ban is for and generally just policing with an iron fist & a rubber brain.

Reddit fills a different niche from SO, being more entertainment focused. But I feel it's the same mistaken model of moderation that will lead to the same demise in ~5 years.

Thoughts?

Just like Quroa, Reddit is overwhelmed by chatbots and spam. As the spammers and chatbots vote up each other's posts and the administrators and moderators can't keep up.

I feel Quora gave up years ago though.

When you load a random content page, the top 50% of the page is a question, the bottom 50% is an ad that is designed to look like a comment, and the entire right panel is ads. Quora is more ads than content, you have to scroll and decipher what is or isn't an ad based on their greyed 2px font ad disclaimer.

Every time I create a Reddit account and try making a comment or a post I get banned instantly. Regardless of if I use a completely different device, email, ip.

It's eerie.

It's pretty wild. Meanwhile bot farms just shuffle all identifiers.

They are actively harming human users in defense of their toxic mods & botters. Site is dying and they are the murderer.

It's so annoying.

How do you let bots roam freely and yet you ban me?

I’m beginning to think Reddit is a publisher. If you can control and curate what posts are seen (for example, perhaps only posts that your team makes), then you are content creator/publisher - not an aggregator.

It’s a controlled magazine with an editorial staff that selects topics, and controls the gates for commenting. It’s not organic on any level.

Fuck Reddit, seriously.

As toxic and awful as reddit is, unlike SO, Quora, etc. I don't see what people will move onto?

SO -> Github Issues, LLMs

Quora -> Medium/Substack/SO/SE

/., Digg, Quora -> Reddit -> ??

I'd love something to replace reddit, but I can't find another platform that is as open (e.g. don't need an account), has the diversity of topics.

The political (and sub-reddit) echo chambers are ridiculous though.

IMO the community will fracture in two directions. Reddit's differentiator over Instragram, twitter etc. is that it's community based rather than individual based (with the algo making psuedo communities)

I feel some users will leach into platforms that created even more walled gardens, i.e. Discord, or platforms that reduce the sense of walled gardens i.e. Twitter.

Reddit seems to follow the psuedo community flow. In my account's feed, I started seeing communities of people's whose accounts I looked at (or maybe clicked into, but didn't follow).

Instead of platforms expecting the user to inform who/what to follow, they infer from user behaviors.

Well, they're a public company. They have to adhere to government-imposed standards (US, EU, and other jurisdictions too). Although I don't think they self-imposed curation, this is their current policy. Some subs get banned for no good reason, even when they were very valuable (e.g., a local financial subreddit was wiped out for reasons unknown, despite providing a better overview of how laws are applied than official sources) so mods inevitably get scared their sub may be next and start being more 'conservative'. This ends up creating hive minds and echo chambers. Anything that would come to replace Reddit (although I don't exactly see what could replace it) will be a victim of its own success at some point and will exhibit the same traits too.

What I worry about is how much of it is bots. It lost some value to me as it went from thinking the majority of interactions / posts were from people to actually realizing it's from bots from engagement.

It got very political everywhere too, which I assume gets clicks and are a favourite of bot farms

replace reddit with “X” in your post and everything still works… other social media platforms are same… X is now close to 80% bot traffic

Yup I bet. I’ve only been using Reddit for sometime now that’s why I mentioned it

Man, I hope so. Too many ads and mods that dictate things. Reddit’s front page is not organic, it’s curated and they’ll easily sneak in covert ads (looks like a genuine post).

It should die, but I don’t know, we need like an army to kill this thing really. An army killed Digg. We need to assemble the avengers all over again.

The best thing I can think of is to clone Reddit posts and bring it over to a new Reddit clone daily (not a full clone, just the last 24 hours of top subreddits). That way there’s no FOMO for people on the new platform. Basically, seed the Reddit clone with Reddit.

Figure out how much it costs to run a Reddit clone, and try to charge a dollar or two a month from the community.

It needs to die, god willing. It’s really one of the most shameful YT alumni, like they literally do not get the spirit of Internet forums and made it disgusting.

Unlike Stackoverflow, you can create another subreddit with different moderation.

For example there is an official Peloton subreddit. There is also one that’s looser and more free wheeling (OnePelotonSub). Some communities have circle jerk versions. Or ones that are more or less AI content friendly.

Stack exchange got stuck in a rigid, strict moderation regime. Which maybe makes sense for only one kind of community.

There are, ~140,000 active subreddits.

Dudes be like "Reddit sucks". My brother in Christ, you made the sandwich.

Bad faith argument

I hope not, do far we use Reddit on a day basis, and the subReddit we are on are not too spammed .

I think Stack Overflow went dead because of AI specifically. The issues you mention just made that transition easier for people. Before AI, people had no choice but to suffer the toxic mods at Stack Overflow.

Reddit isn't comparable, as AI has not replaced human opinion.

> I think Stack Overflow went dead because of AI specifically

This doesn't hold up when looking at usage charts. There is a clear peak around ~2015 with a steady decline through to now. LLM's came to market in their current form in the last couple years, and took a couple years to be broadly adopted. There was a clear and obvious market fall off way before AI / LLM.

> Reddit isn't comparable

I agree with that in isolation; but since I don't agree with the AI premise this isn't especially relevant. I don't think AI will replace Reddit, I think one of the other major platforms will absorb it's users like Reddit / Hackerrank / better documentation / back searching absorbed SO's users through 2015-2021

Stack Overflow is dead because of AI. Devs can get quicker answers with less hassle with AI. Without AI there is no other option for amateur devs to get answers, so Stack Overflow would otherwise still be used. This isn't difficult logic.

Then explain the usage chart declining since ~2015?

As I said in my original post, LLM was the final nail in the coffin. I'm not arguing they aren't related. I'm saying they SO was falling long before LLM's took over. This isn't difficult logic.

SO falling before AI doesn't preclude AI killing SO. You aren't listening to anything I've been saying. Your graph is meaningless. If it wasn't for AI, SO would still be used. It isn't more complicated than that.

Not gonna keep going back and forth when you seem to agree but are choosing to be difficult. We agree SO was falling before LLM's hit the market. We agree LLM's accelerated SO's demise.

You seem to think they weren't failing before LLM (simply rapidly losing member activity), which is a narrative that I won't follow.

I never insinuated SO wasn't dying before LLMs. I'm telling you that is irrelevant to its ultimate death. LLMs killed SO. Not your graph.

I think this was really the point where Stack Overflow died: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-...

This was the "stage 4 cancer" point of no return. Statistically, it chugged on for a while, and then the dips happened and people just blamed AI, when it was really just a zombie past this point.

Quora is still going on strong despite AI.

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