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Comment by lawgimenez | Hacker News Reader

I believe these are the hackers responsible for this leak: https://phrack.org/issues/72/7_md#article

> I am a Hacker and I am the opposite to all that you are. In my realm, we are all alike. We exist without skin color, without nationality, and without political agenda. We are slaves to nobody.

Classic elitist take ignoring that this this space where "all are alike" can only work for certain kinds of people.

Brian: We are all different! Guy: I'm not!

its always just some cheesy hacker words put to seem mysterious or whatever -_-.

we are legion, we are one etc. anything like that fall apart quickly if you attach identity to something doesnt it.

i guess by being anonymous online some forget they are not anonymous irl. a lot of being alone with the terminal ^^>

gotta read between all the fluff tho.

On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog. Unless you make it your whole personality telling everybody that you are a dog. Maybe stop doing that.

No tolerance for the intolerant.

Your quote it is out of context, they are talking to North Korea's -sociopathic- government accomplice:

    << Kimsuky, you are not a hacker. You are driven by financial greed, to enrich
    your leaders, and to fulfill their political agenda. You steal from others
    and favour your own. You value yourself above the others: You are morally
    perverted. >>

North Korean citizens are kidnapped by a dictatorship. They are talking to someone who supports crimes against humanity.

I would go as far as to say slaves of a dictatorship. Most likely threathened with death, including the hackers' entire family, if they dont follow the line. Considering these factors, how much do you think they actually "support crimes against humanity"? North Koreans filter their students very early on to find the smart ones and teach them hacking in specialized military camps. Whoever this hacker is, he probably has been handpicked and groomed for the job hes doing.

How is this any different from say a Pentagon or IDF employee who is involved (by some degree) in the documented mass murder of civilians? Their livelihoods are also on the line.

Are they off the hook because they "choose" to participate in mass murder?

Youre gonna pretend theres no difference between your entire bloodline (literally) or your salary being on the line? If you work at the Pentagon and see mass murder of civilians you have the option to stop going to work. A north korean hacker does not have that option.

You may be assuming a fair bit. Just because it is evidently true that there is a difference, to the parent, depending on their philosophical bent, it is not impossible that it is the outcome alone that determines level of willingness to accept level of.. dunno what is a good word here.. responsibility. In other words, from where they come from, all other factors are not relevant. I don't subscribe to this particular view of the world, but it helps to be able to understand others.

I get that a pure consequentialist can flatten every distinction, but in the real world we still distinguish between (a) ‘I’ll kill your entire bloodline if you stop typing’ and (b) ‘You can resign and face a résumé gap.’ Until we’re ready to treat a bank-teller under duress the same as an armed robber, that difference has to matter.

It has to do with this concept called free will.

To quote the movie Hackers:

"Cool? It's not cool. It's commie bullshit!"

I don’t necessarily agree with you but I’m not sure why you are being downvoted into oblivion.

Tangentially, my problem with this phrase post is that I am struggling to get past all the obvious falsehoods when it comes to the non technical part of the writing.

It starts off the bat with using terminology like “Advanced Persistent Threat” and conflates what it already identified as a North Korean group as Chinese in this sentence

> It shows a glimpse how openly "Kimsuky" cooperates with other Chinese APTs and shares their tools and techniques.

And then gives some flowery speech about how the Koreans are bad and political but this author who opposes them is good and not political.

This reads to me like the ravings of some crazy person with advanced skills who thinks everyone else is the crazy one while wearing a tinfoil hat, or a federal group leaking a no longer useful technical hack surrounded in language pushing propaganda

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