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Yes, the only jump-started or taken from zero to hero SIX markets in the last 10 years, with the last one 3 years ago (desktop OS, portable mp3 players, online music distribution, touch smartphones, online app distribution, tablets).

I don't mean they "invented" those (there were tablets / mp3 players / app stores, etc before). I mean they made them _matter_ (as in, going from nearly bankrupt to largest company on earth matter).

Meanwhile all of their rivals did, absolutely squat. At best, they introduced me-too products in the same space (myriads of iPod "killers", iPad like tablets, app stores, etc).

Maybe Amazon is an exception, they did introduce the Kindle, which is a category of its own, and it got its own copycats (Barnes and Noble, etc). Still, rather small compared.

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There's no doubt Apple changed a lot of markets and made a killing in the process. It greatly disappoints me that being the biggest public company on the planet isn't enough for them, and they have to start suing everyone.

Meanwhile all of their rivals did, absolutely squat.

It's not that their rivals weren't trying (Maemo and Openmoko were definitely interesting), Apple just beat them at what they did best -- making it all fit together, and convincing people they needed it.

>It greatly disappoints me that being the biggest public company on the planet isn't enough for them, and they have to start suing everyone.

True, they could have played the "we're getting copied verbatim" card better, and only sue for relevant very technical patents.

I also had a hope that some policies will change for the better under Cook, but I'm not so sure.

True, they could have played the "we're getting copied verbatim" card better, and only sue for relevant very technical patents.

They could also just not sue. They could win their case in the court of public opinion. After all, they are the marketing experts.

People keep saying that, but no, Apple are not "marketing experts".

They just make cool stuff people want to buy. Most of the "marketing" is grassroots.

What exactly is the "brilliant marketing" they do? Make some good tv ads and being secretive before launch? It would hardly be a benefit to be secretive if people don't care about the end product in the first place. In fact, being secretive is the anti-marketing.

In my country we didn't even have any of their TV or billboard ads (and we still don't), and yet everybody knows the brand and lusted over/buyed the products.

MS, on the other hand, spends tons for advertising, promotion, special events and the like.

I'd call the unique ability to inspire a religiously devoted cult of personality expert marketing. A quality product alone won't do that, and Apple certainly didn't have as much of a following before Steve Jobs returned as it does now.

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