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Comment by CurtHagenlocher | Hacker News Reader

Idiots. It's not "Metro" that VS 2012 is trying to copy with this look; it's Office 2013. See http://zapp5.staticworld.net/images/article/2012/07/3_word_r... for an example.

VS is still ugly, of course, but it's because the designers copied the ugly Office design -- not because they didn't understand Metro.

Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft, but no longer on the VS team. Also, I have a cold and am in a bad mood.

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I can see exactly what you mean, but the point you make is marred by your usage of the word "Idiots." The concept of Office being a different kind of "Metro" than normal Metro is not obvious to everyone.

Edit: I guess I'm just confused about who "Idiots" refers to. The quoted MS employee? The people agreeing with the quote? Everyone in the comment thread?

Also, to be clear: I work at MS and on a couple small parts of VS. I wasn't really part of any of the UI decisions.

Give the poster a break, idiots could refer to whoever at Microsoft said that (as they were correctly not well informed nor had any special information).

Office and Visual Studio are of the new "metro-inspired" UIs that, for very good reasons, cannot migrate away from desktop right now. I'm sure we'll eventually see some of these apps move to more Metro UIs (Office?), but for some they will always be desktop (Visual Studio).

Disclaimer: work for Microsoft, but nowhere near these teams.

"Idiots" is mostly because I'm in a bad mood. But also, yeah, referring both to the person being quoted and to the person doing the quoting.

Good to know that I'm an idiot for thinking that VS2012 is trying to follow guidelines by a product in RTM instead of a product that is in beta and I have no interaction with. Of course I'm also just in a bad mood because I have to use the Pending Changes window in VS 2012 on a daily basis.

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