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Comment by lazide | Hacker News Reader

I’ve seen multiple security videos of P320’s going off in holsters in the field with no plausible way anyone or anything could have pulled the trigger.

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The police video where two officers are wrestling with a suspect, one officer has a large hanging key fob on the front of his belt which enters the other officers Safariland holster as they wrestle, and pulls the trigger.

The range video where they are standing on the line was allegedly a modified gun with non-Sig upper and trigger.

Officer bends down and it goes off?

Officer standing and moves slightly and it goes off, with their hands in front of them? (Eyewitness)

And at least 3 others. There are some good compilation videos out there.

I understand what it looks like, but we have the guns from those incidents, and no one has looked at them an pointed to a defect, or reproduced them firing without the trigger being actuated.

A gun in a holster can fire when it is moved and the holster is poorly fit, incorrectly configured, or there anything caught in it like tail of a shirt, drawstring. Also, many police have a flashlight on their pistol, which opens up space quite a bit making it easier for things to get caught inside.

The gun the FBI saw from one of the incidents definitely had defects from manufacture. And at least one of the safety devices didn’t work correctly.

Whether it’s an explicit design flaw that allows the gun to fire with no interaction with the trigger at all, or one where the gun is prone to fire unintended when circumstances are less that ideal, and an interaction that shouldn’t cause it to fire does. Who cares. It’s perfectly reasonable for law enforcement and the military to want a higher level of safety than what is apparently possible with this handgun.

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