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Elon Musk is lying about Tesla's self-driving and I have the DMs to prove it

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I bought 'Full Self Driving' in 2021 and I would not dare to use it on actual roads still. Probably the most money I've ever been scammed before tbh.

I use it everyday. It is completely normal for it to drive 30km+ trips flawlessly.

Incredible value for money in my opinion.

What are you doing while the car is driving itself flawlessly?

Same thing I do in a cab. Judging the "driver's" performance. FSD is better than most Uber drivers.

> Same thing I do in a cab.

Sit in the back seat? I dare you.

Not possible. FSD won't activate without someone in the front seat. Also the eye tracking camera will disengage the system if you don't look at the road.

Looks fairly easy https://youtu.be/oNj9cmf4aYQ?si=92BtTWgPy9NSdGBQ

Outdated information. This is from several updates ago. The cars are constantly improving through over the air upgrades.

I don't mean to victim blame or be insulting, but I don't know how else to directly ask this question. How did you fall for it?

I bought my Tesla in 2019 and knew that FSD wasn't ready at the time and wouldn't be ready for a minimum of 5 years, and likely would be closer to 10 years. I ignored everything Elon said (Because why the hell would you trust a CEO, especially one as exuberant as Musk?) and focused on what real customers were posting to YouTube and reddit, and it was obvious that buying FSD meant paying for a feature you wouldn't see for several years.

I bought FSD full-boat twice. I always treated FSD as an aspirational goal and that what I was actually buying was a very advanced L2 ADAS. Given that I use ADAS regularly and it was better than anything else commercially available, it was an easy buy. I use it every day and still believe that it was worth the money.

That said, I was really upset when Tesla announced that HW3 cars will not be retrofitted with HW4, as they have stated many times that they will upgrade cars as new revisions were released until they achieved FSD.

Did you not also get scammed? You paid for something you still don’t have. No Tesla is fully self driving capable today.

I guess I wasn't explicit enough in my comment.

I did not buy FSD.

Have you ever been blinded by the sun?

Visual cameras can be blinded by the sun too. But radar can't.

Engineering safety is typically done through redundancy. Tesla has no redundancy in their self driving system; it's all visual. If it's vision gets obscured by weather or darkness or the sun, it is essentially driving blind.

If one or more of the multiple cameras are obscured, the car will alert you to the degraded state. If conditions are particularly bad like in a snowstorm, FSD will refuse to engage. It doesn't drive blind.

It doesn't drive blind.

This is part of the problem. When it becomes blinded, it disengages --- right before the crash.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/tesla-rejected-60-m...

The Tesla crash in the story you linked to didn't involve FSD, blinding, nor disengagement. Did you mean to link to a different article?

I recall 8 or 9 years ago struggling to explain to Fred Lambert the technical reasons why Autopilot was only level 2, and without big changes to their strategy would only ever be capable of level 2. Fred is a sharp guy concerned with the difference between truth and fiction, and he eventually did come around, and at the expense of a large section of his readership.

Commenters in various Tesla forums overwhelmingly refused to respond to good information. They paid good money to live a fantasy and nothing was going to burst their bubble.

What's new?

SSDD

Don't need your DMs Fred for something he's been doing so shamelessly and publicly for so long. Consequences take way too long for Elon and persons like him so it doesn't matter. We've been relying too much on powerful people self-regulating according to laws/standards and it has let antisocial people rise to the top

I mean, Musk in just constantly spouting contradictory nonsense shocker.

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